How would Dialga G Lv.X work as a Flygon counter with Bench Shield? Dialga can't be targeted by Extreme Attack, and Flygon loses the free retreat of its techs, as well as Wind Erosion.

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Dialga would take no damage, but wouldn't Gengar be able to place damage counters on Dialga since it's placing damage counters not damage?

Gengar would in fact place damage counters on him. So it's really a choice of bench shield or unown g. If you g it, it can be flygon x'd. If you shield it, it can be shadow room'd or pulled up with something like inviting trap or luring flame.

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See, this idea actually semi works. Warp points would be a must, but so what if Gengar shadow rooms it? Thats 4 straight turns of just attacking it. And last time we checked, the thread was a FLYGON counter, not GENGAR. Not many people play Flygar. So it would work.

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True. I guess I just think from all aspects sorry. yes it would hurt flygon players tremendously but Flygon still has a high attack power. Over all I have always loved Dialga G Lv. X but he can still very much lose to a flygon deck. Nice idea tho

what gengar would really do is play gengar level x and make the opposing player lose their dialga lvl x, bench shield, unown g or no.
but that's only one bad matchup and, aside from being just the one deck, gengar isn't all that affected by dialga g lvl x one way or another unless it's a mother gengar build. bench shield definitely makes dialga g lvl x playable again. and while luxape, blazeray matchups still represent a serious problem due to bright look otoh it definitely helps against flygon, anything relying on spiritomb, mr mime or shedinja (ie uxie and shuppet toolbox decks). both tangrowth/sceptile and any scizor/cherrim variants it simply murderizes.

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so what if Dialga G Lv. X can be Shadow Room'd...it will only do 3 dmg counters...I think 30 compared to 150 is a much better choice...so definitely Bench Shield

^ you are definitely correct, it still can be susceptible to power pulls like Bright Look...but there really isn't anything that isn't...I do wonder however, how many Gengar decks will be running the X...considering, the best use you will get out of it, is just the power and the extra HP if you're using the SF one...I know mine will run the X, but I'm also setting mine up for spread and will be running DGX as a tech against Nidoqueen and other know Body using decks

there will definitely be decks that tech DGX in...which also means, there will be a lot of cards against tools that will also be tech'd in

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This thread is probably the single funniest thread I have ever read.
1. Who the heck plays FlyGar?
2. If this got popular, so would Mismagius and trap cards and Relnicath.
3. Play the Bench Shield down and Flygon traps the Dialga G LV. X active for 11 turns.
4. Dialga G is not the best tech out there, there are things that help more than 1 or 2 matchups.
5. This is a very hard combo to pull off.

grasspokemonmaster Wrote:[quote=Power Swing]Umm you probably can't shuffle well.[quote]

o_O I threw all the cards about and picked them up and shuffled them.

Seth Wrote:1: Spiritomb has a 1 retreat cost. Should I run moonlight stadium so that I wont have to waste an energy every time I want it retreated, and run an assortment of warps/switches.

1. flytrap is already an outdated deck. it didn't even survive top tier to the end of the evolving metagame of BRs (in Masters at least).
2. even if flytrap is still around if the defending active has unown g attached then inviting trap fails.
3. even if dialga g lvl x with a bench shield is pulled up it can always be switched, warped or poke turned, thus escaping the stall out.
the problem with relicanth is that it doesn't counter dialga with bench shield at all (but an extra 30 damage is an extra 30 damage to someone) AND the decks which dialga g lvl x is most likely to screw up (flygon, amphytric, scizor/cherrim, tangrowth/sceptile) are all HIGHLY unlikely to want to run a relicanth tech since it has no synergy with anything else in their decks. only in mother gengar will you probably see it.

with all that said not many decks will tech dialga g lvl x + bench shield. but the combo does mean that dialga g can be played at a high level again without fearing an autoloss to flygon.

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1. Most Flygons are still running at least one Memory Berry. And how many Unown G do you plan to run? You have to Guard Claydol or you pretty much lose against Flygons with Berry and then they KO the active with Unown G. I can bring Dialga up now. And most decks that would tech this wouldn't be running Poke Turn and given the space this would take up probably no more than 2 Warp/Switch.
2. I'd just love to see someone running this play out the Dialga thing, Bench Shield and 2 Unown G's against something. Then they drop a Relnicath and a Fighting and they can do 90 to anything from a basic for 1 energy.

Also, why is this good now if it wasn't played before Flygon came out (as a tech)?

grasspokemonmaster Wrote:[quote=Power Swing]Umm you probably can't shuffle well.[quote]

o_O I threw all the cards about and picked them up and shuffled them.

Seth Wrote:1: Spiritomb has a 1 retreat cost. Should I run moonlight stadium so that I wont have to waste an energy every time I want it retreated, and run an assortment of warps/switches.

dialga g was around for only one set before flygon came out and legoes by far the best build involving dialga g and furthermore at that time there were no dominant decks relying massively on pokebodies (meaning it was unneeded as a tech). well, aside from AMU but AMU was quickly headed to the obsolete pile.
two things drove dialga g from the game
because flygon lvl x could one shot dialga with extreme attack
and because luxape/blazeray had perfect weakness matchups with legoes

so you're teching relicanth into flygon? because that's the only matchup in which someone would use dialga g, bench shield and multiple unown g's. another basic tech only weakens power swing which hurts flygon overall.

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I've been say DialgaGX might come back for weeks now, but no one would believe me...... for a good reason. It only helps agaist a couple of decks and these decks are on the decline anyways (for now).

The problem with this is then that Trapinich will inviting trap you active then next turn kill you...

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