For the Third Time, TPCi Reiterates More Pokemon TCG Product On the Way

People take there comments way too personally, why do people always think of some grand conspiracy pokemon is purposely under printing for 6 months to drive fomo when for 2-3 years it was stocked fine. Pokemon just has some beef with pokemon fans every 3 years lol
They have massively underprinted the last Eevee-related set as well. They know what they're printing and they're not clueless. They're not worried about underprinting Shrouded Fable, because there's like 5 people who care about the DLC legends. This is not a "conspiracy", this is basics of how collectibles operate. A lot of other TCGs, including Magic, Lorcana, Sorcery, are doing the same thing. The only difference is that Pokemon now owns a printing facility, so they really have no excuse.
 
Which it sounds ironic, distribution channel says the inverse. We will be hit with a higher/strictier allocation, at the point some stores will be left out with nothing of the pre-orders, due the lack of printed product.
Allocation (cuts) are happening in English and both Spanish variants (Mexico and Spain)
it’s actually not due to the lack of printed products but the about doubling of demand and people who are now entering business with distribution who never had any part of it. Also if you haven’t been told enough itll take 6 more months for these prints to even be seen so it obviously will get worse with destined rivals before it gets better
 
They have massively underprinted the last Eevee-related set as well. They know what they're printing and they're not clueless. They're not worried about underprinting Shrouded Fable, because there's like 5 people who care about the DLC legends. This is not a "conspiracy", this is basics of how collectibles operate. A lot of other TCGs, including Magic, Lorcana, Sorcery, are doing the same thing. The only difference is that Pokemon now owns a printing facility, so they really have no excuse.
Saying "there not clueless" doesn't prove your point. I understand being upset but your not giving any actual evidence they purposely under printed it and I have a feeling you don't have experience in the logistics of a multi million or billion card production company. Saying you know how "collectibles operate" isn't proof either, the biggest example I can think of that had people pushing this conspiracy theory that they throttled manufacturing is amiibo, which later had them produce so many later on they ended up in bargain bins and nobody cared... and nobody said they did that purposely to push the aftermarket down or some other nonsense
 
it’s actually not due to the lack of printed products but the about doubling of demand and people who are now entering business with distribution who never had any part of it. Also if you haven’t been told enough itll take 6 more months for these prints to even be seen so it obviously will get worse with destined rivals before it gets better
Yea if we look at past experience it took about 9 months at least before major restocks happened from what I would consider the closest in size being the covid boom. Thinking they can react within a month just because they own a printing plant now is insane. If nothing changes in a few years then I'll concede but I highly doubt that'll happen.
 
"For Pokémon TCG product releases at Pokémon Center, we are committed to providing a smooth purchasing experience and employ technology that helps get products into the hands of fans first and foremost." if this was actually the case they wouldnt drop these HIGHLY anticipated sets at RANDOM ASS times with no warning, only sending out emails 30m after its already been out where bots are fully aware the moment its out. can you not just have a set release date and not let people in like 2 hours before that time? pokemon center is just damage controlling, they DO NOT care about you and you WILL NOT be getting more product
 
Product selling out = Intentionally understocked is the most hilariously poor understanding of basic economics. Do you understand what a "supply" and a "demand" is?
Good thing you're having fun when reading things that nobody wrote. But do try to figure out who has absolute control over how many cards get printed, including the actual facility when that printing happens. I'll wait.
Saying "there not clueless" doesn't prove your point. I understand being upset but your not giving any actual evidence they purposely under printed it and I have a feeling you don't have experience in the logistics of a multi million or billion card production company. Saying you know how "collectibles operate" isn't proof either
I'm not upset at all, because I'm not planning to buy any of it.
There are only two scenarios for why they aren't printing the amount of cards that matches the demand - they're doing it on accident (as they try to allude to in this statement), or they're doing it on purpose. There is no scenario in which a company the size of TPC lacks the money or resources to produce these cards. I also happen to know the allocations of sets like Prismatic Evolutions and they're absolutely hilariously low, even compared to their TCG competition.
You're looking at water falling from the open sky and asking for proof that it's raining.
 
Well. Ig it means no Ethan for me until next year😔
But in seriousness, good on them ig? I haven't been around the last time this happened and mtg is no better with secret lairs. I've been watching the single prices for Heat Wave Arena and trying to compare them to the previous trainer set (I don't recall the name rn but it had N and Lillie and Hop) and I'm not hopeful about any of the Japanese singles I want to be dropping in price. I know English and Japanese card prices vary and if I knew I'd try and get the cheapest printings possible. But like. Idk. Sorry I kinda rambled my brain is cooked from engineering courses
 
We are at a tipping point at the moment. I seriously believe we will see something give way within the next year. Products are highly priced, harder to even get in your local stores and are often being scalped before anyone sees anything public. At some point, it will be too expensive to play or collect for most people as both ends are being hit at once.

My locals mentioned that there was less allocation for DR than even JT... And that was a set that by all means they should have been aware of the demand by that point in time even in the printing hierarchy. I hear that TPC are not actively trying to lose money on the table through your podcast periodically but they are the ones creating this environment. They choose the pull rates, pull rates are a big impact on product value for scalpers and investors. If they increased the pull rates proportionately to the set size, product would be seen as less valuable for the short term which would dissuade scalpers and early investors. So yes, now, I am blaming TPC/TPCI as this IS the key factor. Print as much product as you want, if rarity drives card values to insane prices on release then it doesn't matter how much you print.
 
Good thing you're having fun when reading things that nobody wrote. But do try to figure out who has absolute control over how many cards get printed, including the actual facility when that printing happens. I'll wait.
Appreciate the patience but there's no need to wait boss - I'm here to explain it for you.

So there's these things called factories. This is where the pokemon cards get made. Now, and this bit is very important, there is a *finite number of these*. Which means Pokemon are limited in the number of cards they can print.

So now we have the people who want to buy the pokemon cards. We call these people "customers". There's lots of these people and they all want to buy the pokemon cards that are made at the factory.

Uh oh! Disaster strikes! There's been a huge uptick in customers and now too many people want to buy the pokemon cards! The "demand" outweighs the "supply"! So what are pokemon to do? Perhaps they could buy a new factory and print more cards?

What a great idea! But oh no! Here comes this frustrating concept called logistics. You see, factories don't come out of nowhere and companies - even big ones - aren't omnipotent gods that can make things at the click of their fingers. Even when they get a new factory they'll need to bring in equipment, staff and much much more.

Wow. All this sounds like it's going to take time. Maybe even multiple months like people have stated several times over. So in the meantime all we can do is print what we can, even though there won't be enough stock for all the customers until production can ramp up. However once this has been cleared we can print lots of cards - as has been the case for several years preceding - and all those extra customers can buy them! Yay!

I hope this helped you, I know you were happy to wait for a reply but it seemed like you were really struggling. Thanks for reading!
 
What a great idea! But oh no! Here comes this frustrating concept called logistics. You see, factories don't come out of nowhere and companies - even big ones - aren't omnipotent gods that can make things at the click of their fingers. Even when they get a new factory they'll need to bring in equipment, staff and much much more.
Actually, Pokemon cards in North America are printed by Millennium Print Group, which TPCi owns. In Europe, they're still printed by Carta Mundi, which is shared with a lot of other TCGs. So yes, in Europe, they could have issues with supply, as companies have to book sets at least 6 months in advance, and the plant is working on multiple games at once. Regardless, both Magic and Pokemon would be considered their top clients.
It really kind of helps to know what you're talking about when trying to be snarky.
 
Did you actually see that live? People love to throw inspect element around and how they "found" about "secrets" in the "code". That's a nice clickbait.

I'm a web developer myself and could not find this said "pos" which would change.

Like this one guy posted an image of an edited source code that he found the publish date for Destined Rivals. He had just edited the part of the page where product options are. Oh and of course the date ended up being wrong. Why would anyone publish a secret drop date in the source code? Only if it's meant to be found.
I did, you could easily find it with the search feature that the Inspect Element should have.
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And as far it having anything to do with the actual queue is concerned the value itself would go down as time went on.
At some point, it will be too expensive to play or collect for most people as both ends are being hit at once.
The only way I could see that happening is if short-term investors managed to learn how to manipulate the prices of base-rarity exs and similar Ultra-Rare cards, the only thing that works against it is the sheer number of base-rarity exs that are pulled at any given time.
 
The only way I could see that happening is if short-term investors managed to learn how to manipulate the prices of base-rarity exs and similar Ultra-Rare cards, the only thing that works against it is the sheer number of base-rarity exs that are pulled at any given time.
Some people are destroying cards, others are buying sealed product and never opening it. Competitively, people will be living off of premade deck products only. You need people to open product and market singles to have access to them, which is becoming harder to do.
 
Did you actually see that live? People love to throw inspect element around and how they "found" about "secrets" in the "code". That's a nice clickbait.

I'm a web developer myself and could not find this said "pos" which would change.

Like this one guy posted an image of an edited source code that he found the publish date for Destined Rivals. He had just edited the part of the page where product options are. Oh and of course the date ended up being wrong. Why would anyone publish a secret drop date in the source code? Only if it's meant to be found.
I can confirm that there is a stored position value in the Pokemon Center queue. To find it, you have to first Inspect, then click the Network tab. You should see some incoming packets. The easiest way to check position is to simply click the magnifying glass and type “pos” in the search bar. The results of the search will show the pos of each packet. Alternatively, you can look at the data of each packet individually by clicking on them. It isn’t hearsay, this is real. The largest number I saw when queueing is 1.7 million, but I dipped after securing an ETB so I’m not surprised it would get up to 2 mil. It was probably 75% bots but 500,000 is still a crazy amount of real people.
 
"For Pokémon TCG product releases at Pokémon Center, we are committed to providing a smooth purchasing experience and employ technology that helps get products into the hands of fans first and foremost." if this was actually the case they wouldnt drop these HIGHLY anticipated sets at RANDOM ASS times with no warning, only sending out emails 30m after its already been out where bots are fully aware the moment its out. can you not just have a set release date and not let people in like 2 hours before that time? pokemon center is just damage controlling, they DO NOT care about you and you WILL NOT be getting more product
PREACH. Why the hell was Destined Rivals dropped on their site Monday, of all days?? I was at work damnit, and there is zero precedent so the actual fans were caught with their pants down
 
PREACH. Why the hell was Destined Rivals dropped on their site Monday, of all days?? I was at work damnit, and there is zero precedent so the actual fans were caught with their pants down
i was asleep when it dropped, i didnt get the discord notification cause its broken but i woke up to the email, thankfully i was able to get one but still if i didnt hop on immediately as soon as i got some random email at 8:15 am on a monday i wouldnt have gotten it.
 
Good thing you're having fun when reading things that nobody wrote. But do try to figure out who has absolute control over how many cards get printed, including the actual facility when that printing happens. I'll wait.

I'm not upset at all, because I'm not planning to buy any of it.
There are only two scenarios for why they aren't printing the amount of cards that matches the demand - they're doing it on accident (as they try to allude to in this statement), or they're doing it on purpose. There is no scenario in which a company the size of TPC lacks the money or resources to produce these cards. I also happen to know the allocations of sets like Prismatic Evolutions and they're absolutely hilariously low, even compared to their TCG competition.
You're looking at water falling from the open sky and asking for proof that it's raining.
This is a perfect example of someone passionately talking out of their rear.

Pokemon Company is printing at capacity in the US and has been for the past several years. In fact, Jon just mentioned on the last Poke Beach pod that when last reported, something like 20% of all Pokemon cards were printed in the year 2023. They be printin cards, son.

This conspiracy of holding back stock to create demand is always from people who have absolutely zero business sense and live on social media.
 
Managed to get 11 packs of JT (with some help from a longtime seller which I was a first and repeat customer for) for MSRP so that I could open them. A lot of experienced member on another forum (more experience than me) have gotten little to none.

So dissapointing. Pokemon needs to do better, but I know that it's gonna take a while to see change. Also holding back stock theory is kinda ridiculous.
 
This is a perfect example of someone passionately talking out of their rear.

Pokemon Company is printing at capacity in the US and has been for the past several years. In fact, Jon just mentioned on the last Poke Beach pod that when last reported, something like 20% of all Pokemon cards were printed in the year 2023. They be printin cards, son.

This conspiracy of holding back stock to create demand is always from people who have absolutely zero business sense and live on social media.
Yes, TPC shares some data about how many cards they print. For the entire year, from all the sets in that year. You're thinking they're printing every set equally?
Please, just actually go and ask someone who runs a local game store, or even a distributor if you have contact with them (you don't), about how much product they are getting from each set. There's a bunch of people in this thread who know nothing about this topic, talk reddit-level economics, and for what? To make yourself look stupid? To defend a multi-million-dollar company? Or maybe these 2-comment accounts are just here to defend their scalped position?
 
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