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Ultra ball serves to fetch gyarados, and reduces your hand size. It works well in both cases, Shaymin or Octillery. I run a float stone and 2-2 octillery currently. I also run 9 or 10 balls, dive, level and ultra and have several ways to recover pokemon so I allow octillery to be knocked out...

I used to run 4 unown, since it would think my deck, offer me lesso mulligans , single retreat cost which could help blacksmith after turn 1. I raneed only 12 energy aND burned my deck in the first 2 turns, then dug for recyclers so I knew massive eruption was huge every time. I plan to run 4...

Okay. Love Typhlosion. had an awesome deck before battle compressor rotated, standard kind of sucks IMO, but I am trying g to experience a new format since there are is room for so many decks when seismitoad is not around, and a few others. As a basis I am spit balling a deck with only 4 of a...

Revive and buddy buddy. . . karen perhaps, useful as a vespiquen antidote or expanded matchup . thanks again, you are a wealth pf good ideas.

Certainly. bench space will be tight, but 3 karps, Octillery and mr. mime is not unreasonable . shedinja can run revitalizer, I kind of considered dragonite ex to fill the same role. . but between super rod, Brock I dunno if sacred ash is still standard, I haven't got the bench space to run a...

Cool. love it. will run it in gyarados with leaf energy. Thanks, last Shaymin! I think one of those vloggers ran both shedinja and gyarados together with deoxys, a bit outdated I thought, Pinsir is definitely the choice to offer an alternative to magma base in standard for bench damage.

I really like the argument for Octillery. 4 dive ball and 4 ultra ball should make for a blindingly fast setup without the liability of Hoopa. Personally I prefer having at least one shaymin in case I can't find a supporter first turn, and plan to run 2 shaymin and 1 hoopa, but there are...

I am working on a Gyarados deck, all of this is very interesting! Thanks! I plan on trying it in standard and expanded. Training Centre won't work for Gyarados since the damage counters must be on Magikarp, but frozen city or magma base is so key it would suck to rely on it being in play at the...

Energy recycler gets my vote. And maybe give yourself an extra Quilava in case you prize a candy or explode it. I ran less energy and concentrated on having a massive first few turns getting set up and making sure I had lots of outs to get 2 or 3 recyclers to stack the deck for the endgame...

Looks cool! I love how the victory star ability makes some otherwise desperately bad cards. . . 25 percent better?? I want to pursue a Gyarados deck, thinking 4 talonflame and ancient trait gyarados, maybe one mr. Mime. Team magmas secret base is a bit expensive but every other card is nice and...

Recent rotations have meant a massive decrease in the card pool, the last two years has seen BCR-PHF disappear. That has made a massive change to the meta, which truly was becoming stale, due to a few unbalanced decks which persisted because the TCG basically bans nothing. They tend to release...

Or battle compress them and thin your deck in expanded. I think it's a super potent effect and a great way to avoid mulligans in certain decks, where to option is hitting one of you 4 chosen starters or your shaymin or whatevs. I plan on buying a playset. It does telegraph a little and yes...

No reason to apologize, playah. Btw, the only reason I thought of klefki for Pyroar was how boss pyroar was before phantom forces came out. Then all of a sudden megas had spirit links and M Manectric hit for 110 for the knockout on intimidating mane pyroar and basically single handedly sent it...

I don't think secret base is the stadium for that. Frozen city would work. I am not sure if it would do 40 damage if you attach a DCE to M Glalie it says when you attach an energy from your hand it does 20 damage. . .(since M Glalie is not a team plasma pokemon). But a rainbow would mean 30, 10...

Yes, trevgallade. You get me. Meowstic's shadow ear is a bit slow, but it also stacks and meowstic ex doesn't have to be active. Cacturne would KO a shedinja, but dugtrio would not. I never pulled gyarados full retaliation unfortunately. On stuff like M Glalie, i had a funny idea to wall with...

I had a thought for Pyroar break off hand. Klefki would help by making pyroar immune to Megas as well as basics. . . I don't know how much traction. that would gain you. I kind of like the idea of Snorlax FCL / Hypno BKP Sure, it's no darkrai, but it doesn't need the rave party.

I love it! I have all the parts too, since I tried a mental trash mill deck before. I think there are a few cards which might make 1 of inclusions like delinquent and team rocket's handwork. A bunnelby might also make a good inclusion. I think a high count of N would be good, since my...

Can you give this thread a more fitting title? Like Bad Decks Discussed?

Regice - ninja boy - Glaceon sounds terrifying. Hope that doesn't catch on. Add a smeargle and a jolteon too??

Thanks! I am glad there are other people willing to discuss bad decks. I hope this is fun for you all as well. It is, unfortunately there are some missing pieces of a full playset of vileplume in my collection. As an aside, Archie might be one way to stack my deck with items and get vanilluxe...