Ruling A couple numb questions

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1) When drawing your first 7 cards, if one player gets a basic, but the other does not, do they both put out their prizes before drawing a new hand/drawing a card? Or must both players have a basic before dealing prizes?
2) When using Empoleon Lv. X's attack, can you retreat him to the bench, and then use a switch to move hi back up and attack again, or does the "no attack next turn" effect follow him to the bench?
3) On your first turn (the second turn of the game) can you play a rare candy and evolve a pokemon? Or must you wait till your pokes have been on the bench a full 2 turns before being a able to use a candy?
4) What do you do if a player goes to draw a card, and the accidentally see the next card, or they see a prize as they set the prizes out?
5) For poison/burn, where you do the damage "at anytime between turns," who picks when to do the damage/flip?
6) Are/Where the Epic Ex Collection (With Typhlosion, Meg, Feralig) tourney legal? I guess I am asking if they had original Poke TCG backing, and where they promos, or cards from the real set? Doesn't make sense to sell Ex's from the real set...
Thanks, and sorry for the nOOb questions.:D
 
TCC Co-Founder said:
1) When drawing your first 7 cards, if one player gets a basic, but the other does not, do they both put out their prizes before drawing a new hand/drawing a card? Or must both players have a basic before dealing prizes?
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The player that has a Basic lays out his prizes and then may draw his extra card for his opponent's mulligan. The player without Basics shuffles all cards into his deck and restarts.

Prizes aren't set out until after you have placed your Basic.

TCC Co-Founder said:
2) When using Empoleon Lv. X's attack, can you retreat him to the bench, and then use a switch to move hi back up and attack again, or does the "no attack next turn" effect follow him to the bench?
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It's an effect like any other effect. It gets removed when Empoleon goes to the Bench.

TCC Co-Founder said:
3) On your first turn (the second turn of the game) can you play a rare candy and evolve a pokemon? Or must you wait till your pokes have been on the bench a full 2 turns before being a able to use a candy?
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You can use Rare Candy in that case. When the rules and a card/Power conflict, the card takes precedence.

TCC Co-Founder said:
4) What do you do if a player goes to draw a card, and the accidentally see the next card, or they see a prize as they set the prizes out?
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That's up to the tournament judge.

TCC Co-Founder said:
5) For poison/burn, where you do the damage "at anytime between turns," who picks when to do the damage/flip?
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The player whose Pokemon has the "any time between turns" effect chooses when to activate it. It can be activated before Special Conditions are processed if desired.

Note that Poison/Burn aren't at "any time". Special Conditions are the first thing resolved between turns (in order: Poison, Burn, Asleep, Paralyzed), then everything else that hasn't been resolved, and finally resolve any resulting KOs.

TCC Co-Founder said:
6) Are/Where the Epic Ex Collection (With Typhlosion, Meg, Feralig) tourney legal? I guess I am asking if they had original Poke TCG backing, and where they promos, or cards from the real set? Doesn't make sense to sell Ex's from the real set...
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Don't know if they were, but they definitely aren't now.
 
Yeah, it makes sense to deal prizes after getting a basic, or all four of your eevees have a chance of being prized rofl. What if both players have 1 Prize left and 1 active poke who is poisoned and has 10 HP left. Who goes first? Or do you flip a coin or play Sudden Death.
 
TCC Co-Founder said:
Yeah, it makes sense to deal prizes after getting a basic, or all four of your eevees have a chance of being prized rofl. What if both players have 1 Prize left and 1 active poke who is poisoned and has 10 HP left. Who goes first? Or do you flip a coin or play Sudden Death.
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That would call for sudden death.
 
TCC Co-Founder said:
What if both players have 1 Prize left and 1 active poke who is poisoned and has 10 HP left. Who goes first? Or do you flip a coin or play Sudden Death.
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Let me make sure of what you're saying.
  • Both players have 1 Active Pokemon and an empty Bench.
  • Both player's Active Pokemon have 10 HP left and are Poisoned.
  • Both players have 1 Prize card remaining.
And now we're between turns. So here's what happens:
  1. First, you fully resolve all the between-turn checks and actions (and anything triggered by those). So both Pokemon receive a damage counter for Poison.
  2. Next, you resolve any KOs. Both Pokemon now have 0 HP remaining, so they are both Knocked Out (and discarded), and both players draw a prize.
  3. After there's nothing left to do, you check to see if either player has met a win condition.
    • Both players have drawn all their prizes, so they each have met one win condition.
    • Both players have eliminated all of their opponent's Pokemon in play, so that's another win condition for each.
    They both have met two win conditions, and there's nothing left to break the tie.
I wanted to spell all that out to show the fact that no one "goes first" when performing mandatory actions or checks. Everyone finishes everything they're supposed to do before you check for the win.

The same general order of operations happens after an attack -- both players finish doing everything required by the attack (including placing damage), then you Knock Out any Pokemon with 0 or less HP remaining (and draw prizes appropriately), and finally you check to see if either player has won.

So back to the situation at hand -- at this point, the game has reached its end state in a draw. But in Pokemon, draws aren't allowed, so that forces Sudden Death. Both players reshuffle their entire deck and start a brand new game, including coin flip to see who goes first. The only change is that each player sets out one prize card. If the Sudden Death game also ends in Sudden Death, you do a third game with one prize, and you keep going like that until there is a clear winner.

Now, backing up to the original situation for a second -- if one player has a Benched Pokemon in this situation, that player wins. When both players win at the same time, whoever satisfies the most win conditions is the game winner. If both have satisfied the same number of win conditions (a true draw), only then does it go to Sudden Death. In the case here where one player has a Benched Pokemon remaining, that player has satisfied two win conditions (all prizes taken, opponent has no Pokemon in play), while the opponent has only one (all prizes taken).

PROFESSOR POP QUIZ: Lee and Eric are in a game. Lee has two prizes remaining. Eric has one prize remaining. Lee has an Active Electrode (Secret Wonders) and a Plusle on the Bench. Eric has an Active Empoleon with 100 HP remaining, and no Benched Pokemon. Lee attacks with Ion Blast, and chooses to do the 60 additional damage.

Who wins? Or does it go to Sudden Death? Also explain why the outcome is what it is. (I'll post the answer tomorrow if no one gets it by then.)
 
Chairman Kaga said:
PROFESSOR POP QUIZ: Lee and Eric are in a game. Lee has two prizes remaining. Eric has one prize remaining. Lee has an Active Electrode (Secret Wonders) and a Plusle on the Bench. Eric has an Active Empoleon with 100 HP remaining, and no Benched Pokemon. Lee attacks with Ion Blast, and chooses to do the 60 additional damage.

Who wins? Or does it go to Sudden Death? Also explain why the outcome is what it is. (I'll post the answer tomorrow if no one gets it by then.)
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EDIT: Erased so that someone else can have a chance to answer it too.

*Crosses fingers and hopes for a golden star on my paper*
 
Yay! I'll edit my old post so maybe someone else can get the chance to figure it out too. Do I get a cookie?
 
TCC Co-Founder said:
Lee, because the you do damage before the other effects of an attack. I think.
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Not quite :)

Chairman Kaga said:
The same general order of operations happens after an attack -- both players finish doing everything required by the attack (including placing damage), then you Knock Out any Pokemon with 0 or less HP remaining (and draw prizes appropriately), and finally you check to see if either player has won.
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TCC Co-Founder said:
My head exploded as I read the question for the 3rd time...and that's why I'm not a judge:D
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That's right, because people with exploded heads can't be judges :p
 
Are you so sure about that? With no head, you are intimidating and scare people into not cheating.

Ranger7722- That was one of the funniest things I've heard all day, and my life is a joke:D
 
TCC Co-Founder said:
Are you so sure about that? With no head, you are intimidating and scare people into not cheating.

Ranger7722- That was one of the funniest things I've heard all day, and my life is a joke:D
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Well if your life is a joke then your head exploded should be no big deal.
:cool:
 
Meh. I'll give it a shot:

Both Empoleon and Electrode are Knocked Out, so both gets a prize and both win on 1 condition (1 point for Lee, 1 point for Eric). Eric's prize is also his last prize card, so he now has won on 2 conditions (1 point for Lee, 2 points for Eric). Now correct me if I'm wrong, but placing a Pokémon on the active-spot goes before effects like "between turns", so it's still the turn. Eric doesn't have anymore Pokémon in play, so Lee has won on 2 conditions (2 points for Lee, 2 point for Eric). Now, they both have won on 2 conditions, so nobody has won yet. It will be Sudden Death.
 
And now the answer:

Lee's Electrode KOs itself and Empoleon. After you finish resolving the attack, the game looks like this:
  • Lee has one prize remaining
  • Eric has no prizes remaining
  • Lee has one Pokemon in play
  • Eric has no Pokemon in play
Lee has met one win condition (opponent has no Pokemon in play) and Eric has met one also (all prizes taken). The game goes to sudden death.
 
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