A Little Thing Called Common Sense

toxictaipan

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A Little Thing Called Common Sense™


Introduction:


Hello, everyone. My name is toxictaipan here on PokeBeach. After reading various topics and having various experiences in real life, I have decided to make a topic to discuss common sense. I don't plan on making this very short, because I have many points and topics to cover. I've also aimed this at a more mature audience, but I don't mean mature by age. I mean mature by attitude. I don't expect a 9 year old to care for this topic, but all ages are free to read and share their thoughts if they wish. (Not that I can stop you, I'm just letting you know that you're welcome to speak your mind here without negative thought toward your age in regards to the maturity of this topic. Example: "Oh, you're way too young to know anything about that." These posts are not welcome here!) For the record, I'm only 14. I know how immature some of my peers can be, so I feel this is a very mature topic coming from someone my age. Maybe I won't word it as maturely as I'd like, but oh well. Here goes nothin'.

If you don't like reading or deep discussions/debates, this is your stop.

Please note: This thread is to debate. That means point, counter-point arguments. Once this gets to the point of personal flaming, the only thing you will have accomplished is proving what I'm about to say.

If the moderators find this too deep or don't like the idea of this, please close or delete this thread, I thought this would be a very interesting topic, ant I don't think it's breaking any rules. I just have a bad feeling they wont like it.





Let's Begin the Discussion

Okay, let's get to it. As stated above, I plan to cover multiple topics here, and I'm writing this in text editing software because I want this to be really clear and understandable with good points made, not rushed and incomplete.

I really want everyone to read the whole thing if you're going to be a part of this discussion, but feel free to skip around as you wish. Are you ready? Don't worry, I'm not either.


*Turns on iTunes and begins playing "Crazy Train" by Ozzy Osbourne* What?! It seems fitting. Hey, smart-aleck. Yeah, you. You, in the corner! Shut up! That's my job. Plus, Mr. Ozzy even plays a role in this a little bit down the road, as well. Oh yes, this is going to be a fun ride.



The Way We Treat Other People


Okay, I wanted to start this off with a simple and easy to understand topic that wouldn't scare anyone away right from the get-go. So let's talk about something we've all experienced: Jerks.

One day at a small Pokemon Trading Card Game tournament, a Pre-Releases I believe, we all went to go see the next round pairings. Being held in a small hobby shop, it's kinda crammed getting to and from the parings sheet when all three divisions are trying to fit between two rows of tables, so we all inch our way up. I find my name on the list and find my table number. I see my oppenent is the crowd and call him over. As soon as he gets to me, we're still trying to inch ourselves away. With people in front of me, I can only move so fast. So, he gets behind me and tells me to, "Move faster," and then shoves me. It wasn't a violent shove or anything, but the fact that he did it at all is sad. Anyway, I lose some of my balance and bump into the person in front of me, a Junior player (Juniors are the youngest age division. It is the ages 10 and under division.) mind you. So I quickly apologize and get to my table. I expressed my feeling about to the person who shoved me before we began our match. I just don't understand how someone could be like that. We're all trying to get out, we're all moving slow. So, he has to go shoving people? I just don't get it. What's the point? What does he gain from shoving me into other people? Creative name calling before a match? I just don't see the motivation.

Disclaimer: We have since then made up and are now friends. I realize that holding a grudge over something so stupid is pointless. He's not really a bad person. This just shows that he doesn't really care that much.

That's just a personal experience I've had. I know how silly that must sound, but this topic covers everything from the everyday jerk from the schoolyard bully to that racist, sexist, and homophobic people. I just chose to write about something I had first hand experience in. I think that's a little bit better than me rambling on with something I don't know about.

I'll end this topic now. You get the point that I'm trying to make, don't you? Why do people act so rude to everyone, even to people who have done nothing to them? What do they gain from this? It's just so wrong the way we treat each other sometimes.





The Way Parents Raise Their Kids


So, now that we've talked about people acting rude. Let's get to the problem: The way they're raised.


As a parent, your most import job in life is to raise your child correctly. Nothing else is a first priority until this task is completed. So how could you make a mistake in this? No, wait, I take that back. Everyone makes mistakes, but why must you make so many? Did you not learn from the first? The second? The fourth? The tenth!? (I'm not talking about little errors. I mean like serious, like affecting mistakes.) What excuse do you have to raise someone to be a careless jerk, mindless idiot, or other generally unpleasant person? How could you let yourself be a failure? I just couldn't imagine not raising my kids right. You are the authority in their lives, they do as you say. You tell them what's right, and what's wrong. When they break the rules, or do something against your wishes, you correct them. What else could be easier? It's not rocket science.

It's time to end this one, too. My point here is simply just that no matter what you do, parenting isn't something you can afford to do half way, or just outright stop half-way through. You have to stick with it for at least 18 years, if not more. Don't take on the challenge if you can't handle to pressure. Are we going to have to start passing out tests to see if people are suitable for parenting? That would be absolutely pathetic.

Disclaimer: I know that it's not always to parents' fault. There will always be the rebellious problem child, but a lot of the times this just isn't the case. There's no excuse for bad parenting. Having a hardheaded child who won't listen to what you say is a quite a bit different.





TV and Video Game Ratings and Censorship


Ratings are a good thing. They help us decide what to let our children watch based on the content inside. This is definitely a plus, but why are they so strict? I understand why they include sexual and violence ratings, but why do we need one for language? Better yet, why do we have "language" at all? (I'll explain further in the next section.)

There are parents who don't want their children to get the wrong idea from watching TV and playing games. I can respect that, but between you and me, I've been playing video games since I was about, ummmm, like, born. I remember playing Mortal Kombat when I was 4 years old. That's kinda young to be playing video games, much less M rated ones. But take a look at me, even though I've been playing violent video games since I was 4 years old, I still don't walk around beating people up. I've never had the urge to shoot someone. I've never tried to rip someone's head off. I've never hijacked a car. I've never even been in a fight. Do you know why? I was raised with a little bit of common sense. If parents raised their kids with some common sense like my parents did, we wouldn't have kids taking guns to school, or kids steeling cars because they saw it on a video game. Or at least, not as many. I know there's always going to be that one kid, but I feel like some of this could be prevented with some decent parenting. All I'm saying is, relying on someone else to tell you what's suitable for kids to watch is just lazy. Be proactive, tell them what's right and what's wrong.

I can understand ratings for heavily violent scenes involving lots of blood and gore, guns and sexual scenes, etc. But a show being rated, "TV-Y7 for Mild Fantasy Violence," what's up with that? I know plenty of little kids who eat "Mild Fantasy Violence" like Halloween candy. I know DBZ is a little hardcore for really little kids, but come on, ain't nothin' wrong with the Power Rangers! We're just a little bit over censored sometimes. That's all I'm trying to say.

Language


They're just words after all. I mean, if someone were to say, "Holy Crap!" what's the difference if they say, "Holy *that word*!"? It's the same exact message, but yet everyone views the second phrase much more offensive. Is it just me, or have we lost our minds? It's just a word, a made up word. ALL words are made up, believe it or not. What's the problem? We view any of the seven (And a few more not on that list) as very inappropriate, and sure, some of them are when used incorrectly. But what about the one above? "Crap/poop/dung/turd/etc" over "*that word*"? I just don't get it. They're the same to me. Let me put it this way: If you were to put a picture next to both words in the dictionary, you'd use the same picture. Simple enough, right?

So why does everyone view them as, "bad words"? We image what things look like as we speak and hear, our brains are an amazing thing. So when you say, "Crap" or when you say the other word, you instantly think of the same thing. What makes the other one so much worse? This doesn't just go for crap and its other word, this goes for all "bad words" and their synonyms.


This one's done as well. My point should be crystal clear. They're just words that mean the same thing, but yet one is so much worse than the other. No, I don't get it either.




Nudity


Okay, this is a touchy subject, but I'm going to see if I can't handle this sensitively.


First off, before I say anything here I'm going to bring religion into the mix. I normally don't do this, and I really don't like to add religion into discussions where unnecessary because everyone has their own views and opinions, and perhaps the strongest are in this area, but anyway.... When God created Adam and Eve, he created them, you guessed it, naked. When Eve ate the Fruit, they learned about good and evil, and eventually realized they were, naked. Also, for some strange reason, they were ashamed. I don't really know why, that's just what the Big Book says.

If God created us nude, he obviously didn't have a problem with it, right? Okay, you're not religious. We evolved naked. Happy? Either way, we aren't born with clothes on. Why do we view nudity the way we do? Nudity is just not acceptable in public, that's what society tells us. But why, why does society tell us this? God didn't mind, we surely didn't (But do now), yet it's almost taboo today. People just think it's bad. I mean, I'm not against clothes or anything, I love the idea of clothes. I can't stand being cold. I'm just saying we view nudity like it shouldn't even exist. It's a private matter between you and yourself, but you're born naked for the world to see. What made us feel this way? I know we've been wearing clothes for thousands of years, but that's besides the point. Why are we so ashamed of our own bodies, and why are we so offended by other people's? What if it was impossible to make clothes, would we walk around covering ourselves with our hands like you see on cartoons? And what about animals? Why don't they fret over things like this? My dog could care less about being naked as long as he has food and a good belly rub every now and then, and that's the truth.

Yep, I done here. I don't want to come across like I want the whole world to become a nudist community or anything like that. I'm just saying it's natural, and there's nothing wrong with it, and that it's not such a big deal. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear clothes, I'm just trying to figure out why we just can't accept being naked. We as humans are (Supposed to be) more intelligent than that.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about nudity in a sexual manner. I'm just talking about nudity. There is a difference between sexuality and nudity, that's why they're two different words.


People, is it just me, or have we lost our common sense?


I just don't get it. What has the world come to? You see, Japan has the right idea, or at least they're closer to it than us. They don't care if their kids hear a few, "bad words," in their cartoons, they don't freak out about the smaller things like we do. From what I understand, the very popular anime Sailor Moon even contained partial nudity at times! Why are we so worried about things like this? Are we that focused on trying to be perfect? I know we're not the worst, other countries are even stricter, but we're the "free nation" right? (Also, if you haven't already noticed, this is coming from an American's perspective) I'm just lost for words as to how stupid we all really are. (I sure do type a lot to be lost for words, don't? Oh you just wait, I'm not even done yet. I had your hopes up with this little section here, didn't I?)




Religion


Okay, I want to talk about religion now. I'm going to tell you a little story that happened to me and my mom in the grocery store one day. Well, like any day you go to the grocery store, we were buying food. My mom was wearing some rock tour t-shirt for the band Black Sabbath.

For those of you who don't know, they are a metal band. One of the first and most influential metal bands, actually. And a rockin' one at that. *Devil horns*

But anyway, let's get back to the story. So, this person walked up to us and started basically preaching to us about how if we listen to that music we won't get into Heaven and all that nonsense. Also, obviously liking Pokemon, you know I've heard I'll go to heck for it, too. So, basically I can't do anything I want to without going to heck. How lucky am I?

Now I'm not trying to attack religious people here. I can respect your beliefs, but I expect you to respect mine in return. I understand that in the Bible it tells you to spread the name of the Lord, but there is a limit on this. You can't just force your beliefs on someone like that. They can ask me anything they want, invite me to their church, or anything else because I respect their beliefs and I'm not a rude person and I'm not going to jump down their throat. But when you tell me I'm not going to Heaven because I listen to a noise (because that's all music is: A sound) you've crossed the line. You have no right to say something like that.

Reader's Challenge: I ask of you to find me one verse in the Bible that says I'll go to heck for listening to rock music. Find one, just one. When you find that, let me know.

But until then, they shouldn't threaten me on assumptions. God didn't give them that right. No one did.

So my question is: Where do they get off? What gives them the right to threaten someone like that? What makes them better than me? If they truly believe I'll go to heck for listening to rock music, then why do they care? I want to listen to it and I'm going to listen to it. I've made my choice. Let's say I will go to heck for it. Good, let me go. I obviously knew the risk. I'm not going to change my beliefs just because you approach me in a grocery store. Just because you don't like my music doesn't mean it's bad. Moreover, what about the metal genre of religious songs? Those aren't bad, now are they?

I just don't understand how people who claim to follow God, the person whose, love is unconditional, can be so rude to fellow human beings at times.

I'll end this one here. Now, like I said, I'm not against religion. I respect it. All I want is a little respect in return. Is that too much to ask for? I can guarantee you that if I told a religious person that their bodies will rot away in the Earth after they die because they preach about the Lord that isn't real, they'd be highly offended. Well, if you tell me I'm going to burn in heck, guess what. I'll be offended, too.



I've come to the conclusion that we've lost all common sense.


Alright everyone, I've said enough and I'm tired of typing. I'm sure I've managed to offend numerous people with this thread (Probably with the religious part more than anything), and I'm sorry. I just couldn't take it any more. I had to say something.


If anyone would like to add a topic to discuss, feel free to do so, because this isn't just about how I feel. Thank you for taking the time to read this huge post.

Oh, and after reading this you'll probably think that I'm crazy. Well, you're probably right. But I never claimed to be sane, now did I?


Thank you for reading,
toxictaipan


Also, I would like to ask of you to NOT use this without my permission.
 
First of all, welcome to the beach! :D

This was an excellent read (yes, I read every word of it). I agree with most of what you have posted, actually. I do agree that we've lost a lot of common sense. As for why we've lost it, you're guess is as good as mine.

I do think America could be more relaxed about this. Really, how bad are bad words? Sure, I can think of a few ones that really shouldn't be uttered, but the example you gave (well, kind of) was a good one. Really, there is little to no dfference.

As for TV ratings, that sort of thing is un-needed, from my point of view. If you don't want your child to see a certain thing, say, violence, why don't you do some research about that particular show yourself? It's just being plain lazy.
 
I have to agree with you about the religion part. I couldn't agree more, to be honest. I've had that same experience, just not in a grocery store, but in my Synagogue. I come from a somewhat religious Jewish family and my parents insisted me on going to an Orthodox Hebrew school to learn how to read and write. That was fine, but when some of the things they said were so absurd, I couldn't help but questioning my teacher.

This happened a couple times and they didn't care what I said, but they kept cramming it into my head. They didn't care what I thought or truly believed in, all they cared about was spreading the word about some of the things in the religion that don't really make sense. After 4 years of going to the dreaded place, I stopped because I was angered that a place so "holy" could be so rude.

Good job on everything else, too. It was a great read.
 
Very good read!

SO which one of them are we supposed to discuss?

I partially agree on the nudity one. I don't think that anyone should streak and go full moon on us in the street but if it is someone's will to see those things, I say let them.

On the language part, I once again partially agree. I say the other word for crud a lot. This came from me hearing it from my dad a few times. He has stopped saying it often, but I usually say it and not the nicer words. My mom tells me to stop and I usually agree with her. This is because I some times say it in front of teachers and stuff.

On the religion part, I again partially agree. My dad believes in this stuff (I am Jewish) but doesn't like hearing it or seeing it really. Especially among our family. I believe in most of the stuff but when people kill others for their religion I am disgusted.

On the parenting part, I one again partiall agree. My uncle and aunt raise their children in a strict way. They let them cry out whatever happened while they are in a room alone and they won't let anyone come in. Now, they are amaizing people and their kids are fine but I am not sure if it is a right thing to do.
 
Yup, I read everything, and to be honest I agree with you on most points.

To be honest, I can be rude (other people say I am) because I say what I think, if I don't like something I say it. I mean not bully other people, but for example how the things go on school, teachers get mad at me because I'm ''against'' them. But I'm a person to who doesn't care about what other people say so. I do respect, but there's a limit for me, and if someone crosses that limit I can get very mad. Like school starting next week, and all new teachers so this could be fun. Well to be honest I hate most human-related subjects like economy, sociology and such. (This year we had to chose or subjects for the exams) so I chose for subjects like Physics, Chemistry etc. and what did they? They gave me a subject called ''religion'', first of all, for me it belongs in the ''human-related'' category, and I'm totally not a believer in the bibl, god or whatever. So I'll get mad about this at school... Anyway that's something I care for next week.

And going on to the language, I absolutely agree with you, language is just some way of communication to show you expression and if you use ''bad words'' you just show how worse it is. I sometimes use them too, and when I do, mostly the girls all look at me if there happened a worse catastrophe or something. What is wrong with those ''bad words'', it's just a variation in waves traveling through the air made by your larynx by increasing and decreasing the size of the ''muscle controlling your voice'' (forgotten the name). (and yes I try to avoid using ''bad words'' just for my friends and so, but sometimes like when I'm not able to control myself, like when I hurt myself for example I might use them).

About raising kids and so... not really to say about, it's also the environment they grow up in...

Ah and religion... does there exist a day I don't get confronted with it? Appearantly not, anyway I'm in a ''type'' mood so let's go on; First I say I respect religion, the people who believe fine, I don't care. But when it's bothering me I can get mad. Like the story you told, that never happened to me, if that would happen, the person saying that would have a problem, not I was going to beat him or so, but I would start a heavy discussion... Also... No I'm done I think, well I probably forgotten something... but I'll post that as soon as I remember it ;P
 
Why didn't someone think of this before? This thread shows a great deal about how we've raised ourselves to think, and act.

Anyways, I would have to say that the bit on religion is right on the mark. I, too, listen to Black Sabbath, along with a bunch of other classic rock bands, and metal bands, and get a lot of Flack about it from some fellow christians (yeah, I'm a christian as well).
Why do they care what I listen to? And since when was rock, "evil"? They need to read the bible again, if you ask me. Hmm...

Nice job on the thread.
 
Lenny said:
I have to agree with you about the religion part. I couldn't agree more, to be honest. I've had that same experience, just not in a grocery store, but in my Synagogue. I come from a somewhat religious Jewish family and my parents insisted me on going to an Orthodox Hebrew school to learn how to read and write. That was fine, but when some of the things they said were so absurd, I couldn't help but questioning my teacher.

This happened a couple times and they didn't care what I said, but they kept cramming it into my head. They didn't care what I thought or truly believed in, all they cared about was spreading the word about some of the things in the religion that don't really make sense. After 4 years of going to the dreaded place, I stopped because I was angered that a place so "holy" could be so rude.
Oh man, I know how you must be feeling... Abput learning to write and read Hebrew I don't see the problem, I really would like to do that, I'm a language freak xD... well maybe. But yeah, I've heard more of these stories of religious schools where they don't accept the opinions of refusing students...
 
Mmm, there's a lot to address in this thread, so I won't reply to all your points. I think your views on language are a little misguided though. While words like dung and sex have their "censored" counterparts, it doesn't mean that these counterparts are strictly the same. When I say a swear, I say it over any other word because I have the intention to insult/be rude. A rude word holds the same meaning as its passive counterpart, but with an additional menace behind it that gives it the censored label.

Pretty deep stuff coming from a 14 year old, nice read. By the way, I think pretty much anything is permitted here so long as it doesn't contain things unsuitable for our younger viewers, so as long as you use common sense, your topics of choice should be fine. : )
 
I agree with pretty much your entire post, but mainly the censorship and religion.

I'll take censorship first. My mom has often said censorship is like burying your head in the sand, just hiding from the real world. Eventually you'll encounter the bad things in life anyway. Why hide it?

And with religion, I don't force my beliefs down you're throat, why should you shove yours down mine? If there was a God, I don't think he'd be so cruel to send people to eternal punishment for what music they listen to. As a metalhead, I love Sabbath, and more "satanic" bands like Slayer. It's nothing more than sound, and I'm not going to kill someone because a song talks about it.
 
Wow, a lot of replies!

I would first like to thank everyone for great criticism. Thanks.

afstandopleren said:
ALL of them, doesn't matter which part.
Yes, we're here to discuss all of these topics, and any more anyone else would like to add. This is actually the guy who convinced me to post this here.

Anyway, keep up the good discusion!
 
Yeah, of all things we could go to heck for, we go there for music? A sound? God wouldn't be so cruel as to do that. It's the things we hear, it's harmless on us, unless we're actually killing people. That's a different story.

As for religion, I'm not Christian, I don't preach my beliefs down your throat, and neither do you. We all have the right to believe what we want to.

And for censorship: I don't see why people would censor one word, and call it okay to say its synonym.

scampy said:
When I say a swear, I say it over any other word because I have the intention to insult/be rude.
But you can also say its non-censored counterpart for the same intention. If so, what's the point of having one word censored, while its similar version can be said without penalty? They both can be used for the purpose of offending others, why not just censor all the words then?

Well, that just wouldn't be possible. We would get shot down for saying a simple word, because "It's synonym is *insert word here*."
 
Indeed I could. Thing is, people don't. People use the more controversial word to get their feelings across (that's pretty much the entire point), because it's more obvious and understood to be offensive.

Nobody uses random words as insults because people would have no idea what the heck they are talking about. Therefore, society has given birth to a select few words that have offensive purposes behind them, so when someone insults someone else, it's perfectly understandable.
 
Thing is, why would people invent words with the purpose of intentionally insulting in the first place? *fuels discussion, something scampy should be saying*
 
Because sometimes people simply want to insult others. If you are asking why people have arguments, it's because we all aren't mindless zombies who all share the same opinions. Indeed, the existence of arguments could be seen as a good thing in this light. : )
 
Well, it goes like this.

We have a pair of synonyms. One is considered very offensive, the other, not so much.

My question is why is one more offensive? I understand that people use them to be more offensive, but it's like... If someone called you a newb, would you be more or less offended if they had called you a n00b? Nither n00b nor newb is a "bad word," so I doubt you'd be any more or less offended by either one. Same logic applies here.

I can't find a good reason.
 
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