A Little Thing Called Common Sense

Pokequaza said:
Ah yes, that's the answer I was waiting for. If there's a infinite space in the heaven, why can't we state then there's an infinite amount of space around us too, you know the universe, omniverse and whole stuff around. Then we're also able to state time can be infinite too, right? Let's say everything always already existed and always will, no god was needed to ''create'' something. Here you are; religion rejecting itself...
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lol That's not even backwards. It's un-backwards-ness is backwards.

Even without ragingphantom's reply, there are several things in the Bible that contradict themselves.
 
Paper PokeMaster said:
Even without ragingphantom's reply, there are several things in the Bible that contradict themselves.
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What are the several things in the Bible that contradict themselves?
 
Pokequaza said:
Ah yes, that's the answer I was waiting for. If there's a infinite space in the heaven, why can't we state then there's an infinite amount of space around us too, you know the universe, omniverse and whole stuff around. Then we're also able to state time can be infinite too, right? Let's say everything always already existed and always will, no god was needed to ''create'' something. Here you are; religion rejecting itself...
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Well, you can say that everything does already exist, and that the light from the things that we don't know about hasn't reached us yet (btw I'm talking about stuff at the edge of the universe). Then I can also say that time has already been laid out in a seemingly "infinite" and "never-ending, always moving forward" manner, whereas like the light from the edges of the universe, it just hasn't reached us yet. So in this aspect, things are definite, but seemingly infinite, because we haven't seen them or experience them yet, or they could in fact be infinite and new things are in fact constantly being revealed to us over time, which is also slowly being revealed to us as it goes on. And "religion" (I assume that you are talking about Abrahamic religions, not the other ones, as the others have other creation stories) states that there was nothing, then God/Yahweh/Allah came along and created stuff. With my example, it could be said that it was just that light had reached one's original reference point so that they could see the "created" plane. So you could say that everything is infinite, or that they are definite and that their ends haven't reached us yet, or even that a "creator" is making things outside our POV, and then revealing them to us as time crawls by.
We can also throw in the idea that heaven is in a different dimension than ours, therefore possibly following different laws of physics and spacetime and such.

Now I think I've, or maybe with others, made this into a religion and creation/universal theory thread, so I apologize OP.

And PPM, the laws found in the books of Leviticus, Numbers, and Deutoronomy (and the other Old Testament laws) can be interpreted so that they contradict what Jesus says in the New Testament, even though the laws are very specific. Why one would want to, IDK. Some people do to disprove the existence of God somehow(I know that I've heard some people try this route, to twist the words, but in reality in doesn't make sense).
 
ragingphantom said:
Well, you can say that everything does already exist, and that the light from the things that we don't know about hasn't reached us yet (btw I'm talking about stuff at the edge of the universe). Then I can also say that time has already been laid out in a seemingly "infinite" and "never-ending, always moving forward" manner, Know that time isn't set, like anti-matter probably travels back in time. whereas like the light from the edges of the universe, it just hasn't reached us yet. So in this aspect, things are definite, but seemingly infinite, because we haven't seen them or experience them yet, or they could in fact be infinite and new things are in fact constantly being revealed to us over time, Uhm, this isn't a good example, let's say space and time are infinite, this has nothing to do with the light that hasn't reached us yet, the light some from a star which has a beginning and end, so the light from it too, anyway it would stop shining sometime... which is also slowly being revealed to us as it goes on. And "religion" (I assume that you are talking about Abrahamic religions, not the other ones, as the others have other creation stories) states that there was nothing, then God/Yahweh/Allah came along and created stuff. With my example which was wrong, it could be said that it was just that light had reached one's original reference point so that they could see the "created" plane. So you could say that everything is infinite, or that they are definite and that their ends haven't reached us yet, or even that a "creator" is making things outside our POV, and then revealing them to us as time crawls by. Uhm the end of time? Time suddenly stopping? Then our universe would colapse right? Still there might be something outside our universe, like there are more galaxies in our universe, there might be more universes in a ...bigger place? and this going on and on, infinite...

We can also throw in the idea that heaven is in a different dimension than ours, therefore possibly following different laws of physics and spacetime and such. Uhm, but for us, we humans (and all other living creatures in our universe) it's impossible to live in an other dimension. What kind of dimension would it be then? Watch these vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o&feature=fvw

Now I think I've, or maybe with others, made this into a religion and creation/universal theory thread, so I apologize OP. No problem, we like that ^^ discussion is what this thread drives so...

And PPM, the laws found in the books of Leviticus, Numbers, and Deutoronomy (and the other Old Testament laws) can be interpreted so that they contradict what Jesus says in the New Testament, even though the laws are very specific. Why one would want to, IDK. Some people do to disprove the existence of God somehow(I know that I've heard some people try this route, to twist the words, but in reality in doesn't make sense).
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...from what I got from those vids is that there is nothing that can be called a dimension as everything seeps into a new 'dot' that does not end when hitting 'level' 10.
 
I doubt anti-matter travels back in time. But yeah, time isn't set, the theory of relativity showed us that.
I'm guessing none of you are in any position to be debating the functionality of the universe, so why bother?
But ragingphantom, you seem to be talking in extreme hypotheticals, with a complete lack of evidence, which kinda bothers me...

But let's look at us at a cosmic scale if that's the subject at hand. The observable universe had diameter of more than 90 BILLION light years, in it there are over 100 billion galaxies, which can have from a few million to a few trillion stars. The sun is in a rather average spiral galaxy, along with at least 200 billion other stars. The sun itself is a rather small star, and surrounding it are 8 planets, one of which is our tiny little planet called Earth. Comparing the size of our planet to the size of the observable universe would be downright silly.
But on this small little planet is life, and a lot of it. Amongst this life are multicellular organisms, and amongst these are what we know as mammals. Amongst these mammals are primates, and one particularly bald species of them seems to have developed quite some intellect. Why God? What's he supposed to be? And why us? Why this little planet?
We're so insignificant, to think there's something cosmological about us, something within the cosmos guiding us, other dimensions existing just for us, seems to be very narrow-minded.
I'll let Douglas Adams talk a bit. This isn't him, but the speech in which he actually says this is quite long, this might be more straight-forward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kK1YgR7J0g
Full speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZG8HBuDjgc (This was actually not long before he died...)

Just thought I'd try to throw some more common sense in here ;)
 
Heavenly Spoon :F said:
I doubt anti-matter travels back in time. Well sorry I just heard it in a vid (yes was pretty pro), and it made more sence than any other things I heard about anti-matter, it's just one of the ideas/theories whatever you want to call it. But yeah, time isn't set, the theory of relativity showed us that.
I'm guessing none of you are in any position to be debating the functionality of the universe, so why bother? I don't think I'm (yet), but you'll never know, I've always ideas... Anyway, I would like to hear some about it then...
But ragingphantom, you seem to be talking in extreme hypotheticals, with a complete lack of evidence, which kinda bothers me...
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It's always fun to learn something about a subject, but we're like people who have barely know what a car is discussing which model is the best. I suggest any of us educate ourselves on the subject, as it can be very interesting, but we won't be getting any decent discussion out of this, at least that's what I think.
However, what can be done is point out how fallacious ragingphantom's arguments are, as they start from a conclusion and work the evidence to fit it, he's even using concepts and giving them a completely new, imaginary meaning (like dimensions).
 
DawnOfXatu said:
The Way We Treat Others: Why do people treat others poorly? Simple, not everybody was created equal. People deserve some of the same basic rights, but in the end everybody is unequal and it is human nature to point that out. I am taller than you, therefore I make a shortness comment, you are Asian and I make a comment about that, in the end I still respect you as a human being. That's not always the case, but I get your point. There are two problems, one are the actual jerks, who will actually pick on someone just for the sake of it, and the other problem are over-sensitive people. Somebody shoves you so you confront him? How is that common sense? I think you misunderstood me. I just talked to him about it. We were paired up against each other in the match, so I figured I'd tell him how I felt while shuffling decks. And I'm not claiming that my way is THE way and that I am so smart l00k at meh common senses!!one11! But I'm not going to just let people shove me around. The person was not picking on you, which makes confrontation an extreme reaction. People just need to stop thinking that the other person is picking on them, and start thinking that maybe they are just goofing around. I would say that less than one percent of kids are actually bullies. Recently it seems that everybody thinks that they are being bullied and oppressed, which is simply not the case.

Parents: This really comes down to what type of kid you get. I don't blame the parents very often when something goes wrong with a kid, because I know people who have had childhoods which fringe on what you consider ethical, and they are some of the nicest people around. Parents think that everything that they do has an adverse effect on their kids, but in the end as long as you were there to tell them when they did good, and when they did bad, you did your job as a parent.

Censorship: Censorship is a dead tool, nowadays kids have already mastered the ultimate repertoire of bad words by about age ten. Also I've never seen a single instance where a person actually acts in a violent way because of violent shows and games.

Language: We have bad words so that we can convey emotions, I don't know exactly who, when, or where the list of censored words was created but it seems to work. Right, I know that. But what I'm saying is that it's on the person to take offense in the term. Personally, I wouldn't be able to tell a difference if you called me a crap head or a *you-know-what* head. I'm just saying it's stupid for people to take more offense towards one synonym than another. You're a moron, you're an idiot. Were you offended any greater by either of these words? That's my point. As for your argument regarding two synonyms try that with a black person, see their reaction. 1. See your point above about overly-sensitive people. 2. Most white people don't freak out whenever a black personal calls them a "cracker". Black people take an unusually high offense towards that term. They even say the word themselves. They just get really mad whenever a white person uses the word. Acting like they have any more right to say it is just as racial as they claim we are when using it.

Nudity: I am actually having a difficult time coming up with a response to this, but I'll be sure to come back and post it when it comes to me.

Religion: I am an avid foe of organized Religion. Having an old guy tell you about what he thinks about a book that has been translated a couple of times about stuff that has supposedly happened thousands of years ago, does not strike me as a form of enlightenment. The more people cling to their religion, the more it shows that they do not want to look for the answers themselves. The Bible is supposedly telling us right from wrong, but all it really is, is just a pile of stories that humans can relate to, which tell us how to behave. Honestly the Bible and Santa are the same thing for different age groups, "Be good or you won't get your presents/get into heaven"

Common Sense: Common sense is a persons ability to distinguish between good and bad. All you have done is point out places where logic is unable to explain why something is bad, which is only half of the battle. Now can you logically explain why something is good?
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