Ruling A question about Mr. Stone's Project.

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It's illegal to play a card if it's common knowledge that there's no way you could follow through with the card, like playing Potion with no damage counters on any of your Pokemon.

My question is regarding Mr. Stone's Project. Since the discard pile is considered common knowledge, is it legal to play Mr. Stone's Project and choose to search your discard pile, knowing there aren't any there? Or not knowing there aren't any there, say, you misplay? Or would you be forced to search your deck?

And if you play the card and move a few cards from your discard pile in order to see if there's a basic Energy underneath, say, a few Trainers, does that constitute as searching your discard pile?
 
That's a good question, and I honestly do not know the answer to it. However, I may be able to help with the following:
I think it would be a misplay. I do not think that you would be forced to search your deck.
I think that if you "move a few cards from your discard pile in order to see if there's a basic Energy underneath", that would count as searching your discard pile.

But then again, don't take my word for it. I'm no expert.
 
The deck isn't common knowledge. I'm sure that you can play the card and search your deck even if you know there isn't any energy there.
 
I'm talking about the discard pile, which is common knowledge. You are allowed to use cards that search your deck even if you know you won't find what you're looking for as long as the possibility exists that you could find something.

So am I to understand that if you play Mr. Stone's Project and choose to search your discard pile, and don't find any, that it's considered a misplay (because you'd just be playing MSP to get it out of your hand, an action that is illegal) and you must search your deck?

There's no way your opponent can know if you honestly can't remember if there are any basic Energy in your discard pile, or if you're doing it just to get it out of your hand for some reason or another.
 
Before using the card, you have to announce witch one you are going to search, your deck or your discard pile. Since your discardpile is common knoledge, it is known that there is nothing there you can search for, you can't search it.
If you play the card and go fiddling your discard pile, it is considered that you are looking for the cards from your discard pile and if you don't find what you're looking for, you can't search your deck after that.

Remember to announce witch one you're going to search before you go searching for the cards.
If a misplay happens, call a judge!

-Mewstor/Pokémon Professor
 
What if it's late in the game and neither player really knows what's in there (the discard pile)? No one can rattle a list of every card you've played. If you play MSP and think there are Energy in the discard pile to take, and find none, what then?
 
Depends on the judge. Most of the time they let you take the card back and issue a caution.

The most important thing to remember here, is to check through your discard pile BEFORE using the card. Then you know what's in there before you play the card and announce witch pile your going to search.

And BTW, if it is late in the game, there is almost bound to be atleast one basic energy in there :p

But yeah... Check first, then play the card. Otherwise it's just your own mistake for not looking before playing.
 
If you played MSP and decided to search your deck, and knew there was no basic energy to be found, you could not search your discard pile. True, the deck isn't common knowledge, but the word search is being used in the same way for both choices. Thus, you may search your discard pile with the same information and not find anything.

If you're playing a forgiving opponent, play the card, and look through your discard pile and find nothing, the individual may decide to let you look through your deck instead, as nothing significant really changed rather than the player's knowlege. It's still considered a decision though, so it is possible for the opponent to end the play there.

So it really depends on whether the play was to remove the card from your hand, or if it was just a simple mistake.

If you were not given the option to search your deck, I doubt you could play a card, like Energy Recycle System, just to get rid of it, as searching the discard pile can't be compared to searching the deck in the same manner. As mentioned, its important to search your discard pile beforehand, unless you were just trying to get rid of MSP.

As far as anything else goes, such as Delta Charge, it probably wouldn't be such an important case, as the only thing changing is the use of a Power. Nothing is leaving the hand and there was nothing in the discard pile.
 
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