Discussion Are we losing Lele in 2019-20 Rotation? (Potential Steam Siege+ Rotation Discussion)

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Just wondering, since the 2018-19 rotation is looking to be SM- on (which is frankly bull), wouldn't that guarantee we lose Lele in 2019-20's rotation?

Then wouldn't that prevent TCPI's eternal Lele cash grab? So if TCPI wants to guarantee the big bucks for a few more years, they will do SS+ for this upcoming Rotation.

And honestly, releasing Lele so early (2nd set of SU-MO) screwed them in the end game, because now they have to release a Lele reprint or a brand new draw support/supporter grabber type card, or the game will be slow as *blank space*.

Don't forget, if SS+ Rotation happens SS+ products are going to sell like hotcakes.

So will TCPI bite the bullet for a SUMO+ Rotation, or will they keep the game in a stable position by making the rotation SS+

Discuss, AFEX
 
Each set normally gets at least 2 years in standard before its rotated. I think all XY will rotate leaving SUM Base on to still be legal.
 
Each set normally gets at least 2 years in standard before its rotated. I think all XY will rotate leaving SUM Base on to still be legal.

That would leave GRI vulnerable for rotation then.
 
Its 2 years from now, they'll print something else good. A bit to far ahead to think about that.

Reprinting will be the price down, just look at shaymin ex now comparted to what it used to be.
 
That would leave GRI vulnerable for rotation then.

Yeah, and? Lele has to leave the format sometime. Also, it's not like TPCi makes money off singles purchases and GRI goes out of print eventually.

How exactly is the format not stable if they went S/M-on? It isn't like many of those decks are actually still prevalent in Standard - both Turbo Darkrai and Volcanion are dealt with by Zoroark GX and Gardevoir GX as well for that matter. Greninja has enjoyed a longer stay than most, (if you count the XY one) and Buzzwole works with or without the support from Fates Collide. Mega Mewtwo is long dead thanks to Garb, as well.

The only thing most decks stand to lose is Brigette and N, which we can do without. We'd probably get reprints of them down the line eventually, and a card will likely replace Lele as well given that Lele replaced Shaymin even before the rotation.
 
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That would leave GRI vulnerable for rotation then.
GRI was ALWAYS going to rotate that is how the game works

Lele will have been out for 2 1/2 years by the time they rotate it (and there is still well over a year left until then) that is pretty standard for any card in pokemon
 
It was the same with shaymin and many others before but there's likely to still be expanded and who knows a reprint is possible but by the time it's rotated lele will have been present for 3 total worlds which is the standard lifespan at least it's not burning shadows which will be legal for 3 worlds but nothing b4 it's first legal tournament.
 
They could just reprint lele in a later set, but it'd still be worth something in expanded even if it was rotated.
 
Sets are not arbitrarily rotated. They almost always happen in blocks.

16-17: PRC-on (Ancient Traits)
17-18: BKT-on (Pokemon BREAK, all AT sets rotate)
18-19: SUM-on (Pokemon-GX, all BREAK sets rotate)
19-20: ULP-on (Prism Stars, all GX sets to this point rotate)

Keep in mind that by the time we get to ULP-on we will have six more sets - plenty of time for them to print a Lele replacement. Who knows? By that time, maybe a Lele replacement will actually be a bad idea.
 
Just wondering, since the 2018-19 rotation is looking to be SM- on (which is frankly bull)...

If by "bull" you mean "Obvious, and also welcome by many." then that's a good description. ;)

wouldn't that guarantee we lose Lele in 2019-20's rotation?

No, as a reprint is always possible. Besides, it is way too earlier to seriously discussion the 2019-2020 rotation. We get at least four full sets per year (sometimes we get a fifth set, be it s smaller bonus set or one of reprints). So, with just four per year, you're trying to what will happen with with five totally unknown sets in the card pool. I stress this because we are talking cards that Japan hasn't even seen yet. XD

Also, it doesn't matter if we lose Tapu Lele-GX in that rotation. That is the point of rotation; we always looks cards that are or were (and sometimes, cards that would have been) staples.

Then wouldn't that prevent TCPI's eternal Lele cash grab? So if TCPI wants to guarantee the big bucks for a few more years, they will do SS+ for this upcoming Rotation.

Nintendo/TPCi get their money selling product to companies that then either sell to stores or the companies that sell to stores and none of the groups I just mentioned make money through sales on the secondary market e.g. after someone has already purchased and opened product, then decides to resell.

And honestly, releasing Lele so early (2nd set of SU-MO) screwed them in the end game, because now they have to release a Lele reprint or a brand new draw support/supporter grabber type card, or the game will be slow as *blank space*.

The correct fill in for the blank space would be "One of the faster TCG's on the market." Plenty of games have you get by on little more than your single draw for the turn. The current pacing of the game is part of what unbalances certain game mechanics. You'll find this kind of "theorizing" for pretty much any card that accelerated the game. Just because it held true for certain cards for certain amounts of time - most notably the "Discard your hand and draw 7 cards." Supporters, for the most part it just doesn't happen.

Things change. By the time Shaymin-EX (ROS) did rotate, it was still a staple, but no longer a 3 or 4 per deck staple. We had cards that, while not as good, were still useful alternatives

Don't forget, if SS+ Rotation happens SS+ products are going to sell like hotcakes.
So will TCPI bite the bullet for a SUMO+ Rotation, or will they keep the game in a stable position by making the rotation SS+
Discuss, AFEX

There's no bullet to bite, as explained above. Plus, even if they were worried about such a thing, they could have two smaller rotations besides those you suggest, including zero set rotations. In fact, while a single or double set rotation is unprecedented, rotating no sets has happened once before.

I don't expect this, however; like I said, it is a non-issue and way too early to worry about the 2019-2020 rotation in any serious capacity. Today's top cards could be junk by then; something better might replace Tapu Lele-GX, or something may just make it not worth running anymore.
 
Sets are not arbitrarily rotated. They almost always happen in blocks.

16-17: PRC-on (Ancient Traits)
17-18: BKT-on (Pokemon BREAK, all AT sets rotate)
18-19: SUM-on (Pokemon-GX, all BREAK sets rotate)
19-20: ULP-on (Prism Stars, all GX sets to this point rotate)

Keep in mind that by the time we get to ULP-on we will have six more sets - plenty of time for them to print a Lele replacement. Who knows? By that time, maybe a Lele replacement will actually be a bad idea.
They could also rotate to CRI-on, over ULP-on because of the beasts. Miniscule and unimportant to the topic, but I feel obligated to point it out.
Anyway, PMJ's correct, same went for the BLW series:
BLW-on(New generation)
NXD-on(EX's)
BCR-on(Ace Specs)
XY-on(New generation)
 
Ultra Beasts-on is actually a good point. It could be either one of those.
 
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