XY Breeding Mechanics in Pokémon X / Y

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A thread to discuss the revelation that Destiny Knot opens the door to nigh-perfect breeding, as well as male Pokemons' newfound ability to pass on Hidden abilities and your successes therein.

Having successfully bred an awesome Gardevoir, while also working on a Speed Boost Torchic, I have to personally say that I love the new mechanics, although I lament the fact that Kirya, my dancing Dragonite of last gen, will most likely be forced to give way to a mightier child. Having said that, I do miss my Join Avenue. Being able to hatch broods of eggs instantly was a wonderful boon, and I am sad to see it is not replaced with something similar.

Finally, my last point is to those hunting IV Dittos. I have five of them so far, but my friend Safari is so populous that I have little trouble finding something in the egg group of the Pokemon I am breeding that will suffice to pass on the IVs I'm trying to breed for. Every Pokemon in the Friend Safari has at least 2 perfect IVs, much better than hunting Dittos for hours. Seriously, make egg groups work for you.

Feel free to use this thread to discuss all breeding mechanics and such in X/Y. Thank you! <3 ~Athena
 
RE: New Breeding Mechanics in Pokémon X / Y

Males can now pass on their nature too.
Something, I think, they couldn't do last gen.

I'm breeding Speed boost torchic too. Getting 31 SpA and Speed all the time instead of 31 A and Speed... (~_~)


And how does the destiny knot work exactly? Does it pass on 5 IVs from either mother or father or mixed?
 
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Destiny knot passes down 5 IVs randomly selected from each parent (no duplicates, so for example Attack wont be selected on both parents at the same time to be passed on). This can be stacked with a Power item (IE: Power Bracer) on the other parent to pass down 6 IVs, but this prevents controlling what nature you get. If done properly, you can slowly (through trial and error, of sorts) work your way to 2 flawless parents through breeding and re-introducing some of the offspring as better parents to eventually have a 1 in 32 chance of having a flawless baby of the nature you want by using an everstone and Destiny Knot. My project is on hold now, but by using a Safari with Sliggoo, I have worked my way up to a Timid Gooey (DW) Sliggoo with 4 IVs of 31.

With Destiny Knot, if an IV (say, Speed) is the same on both parents, it will be guaranteed to be be passed on, assuming that stat is not the 1 left out that round (1 in 6 chance of not passing on the stat in question).
 
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Males were able to pass down natures; it was abilities which were the sticking point, Drake. I've bred two Speed Boost Torchics with perfect HP, atk, def, and speed, and I'm considering just using that, although I might need him to tank a special move someday. Not sure it's worth the effort though, as most special moves will prolly be super effective. Bulk is 80/80/80/.

Edit: I have three of these Torchics, and will probably use one of these. I'll have two left, if anyone is interested in trading me for one. They both have 4 perfect IVs.
 
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Having bred tons of Hidden abilities in 5th gen, I am absolutely overjoyed that you no longer need a female to breed them down now. That was a huge time waster in more ways than one (they intentionally made females rare, already rare Pokemon like the fossils were hard to breed), not to mention it prevented several Pokemon from breeding them down in the first place.
 
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One other thing that the OP didnt mention was the addition of Females passing down Egg Moves. This essentially makes every egg move legal with every other egg move now, with the exception of Male only Pokemon.
 
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NoDice said:
One other thing that the OP didnt mention was the addition of Females passing down Egg Moves. This essentially makes every egg move legal with every other egg move now, with the exception of Male only Pokemon.
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Doesn't that make non-Ditto breeding redundant? You might as well just get Female everything and use Ditto as the Male substitute.
 
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Blob55 said:
NoDice said:
One other thing that the OP didnt mention was the addition of Females passing down Egg Moves. This essentially makes every egg move legal with every other egg move now, with the exception of Male only Pokemon.
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Doesn't that make non-Ditto breeding redundant? You might as well just get Female everything and use Ditto as the Male substitute.
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Im not sure exactly what you mean? You have to have a MALE of the species with the desired move to be passed onto the desired FEMALE. Ditto cant learn anything besides Transform so it cant pass anything onto a female.

An example of what Im talking about is-
Breed a male Cofagrigus with Wide Guard with a female Honedge, getting a female Honedge with Wide Guard.
Next, you breed a MALE Gastly with Destiny Bond with the same female Honedge, getting a MALE Honedge with Destiny Bond.
Now, you can then breed the female Wide Guard Honedge with the male Destiny Bond Honedge and get offspring with both Wide Guard and Destiny Bond.
 
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NoDice said:
Blob55 said:
Doesn't that make non-Ditto breeding redundant? You might as well just get Female everything and use Ditto as the Male substitute.
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Im not sure exactly what you mean? You have to have a MALE of the species with the desired move to be passed onto the desired FEMALE. Ditto cant learn anything besides Transform so it cant pass anything onto a female.

An example of what Im talking about is-
Breed a male Cofagrigus with Wide Guard with a female Honedge, getting a female Honedge with Wide Guard.
Next, you breed a MALE Gastly with Destiny Bond with the same female Honedge, getting a MALE Honedge with Destiny Bond.
Now, you can then breed the female Wide Guard Honedge with the male Destiny Bond Honedge and get offspring with both Wide Guard and Destiny Bond.
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Oooh. I thought you meant both genders can pass on any move, not just breed-only moves.
 
RE: New Breeding Mechanics in Pokémon X / Y

Both males and females can pass egg moves as of gen 6. This is why all restrictions on egg moves have been lifted.
 
RE: New Breeding Mechanics in Pokémon X / Y

Breeding a male that has a hidden ability with a Ditto does not guarantee the hidden ability will be passed down. I was breeding a male Protean Froakie with a Japanese Ditto to try to get a shiny Protean Froakie, and on my near 30th Froakie, lo and behold, is a shiny Froakie! But it has Torrent... Also, only one perfect stat was passed down from its father (holding Destiny Knot), who has perfect HP, Sp. A, and Speed. So I don't know if I did something wrong or if there's still a slight chance of luck in breeding.
 
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PsychedelicBreakfast said:
Breeding a male that has a hidden ability with a Ditto does not guarantee the hidden ability will be passed down.
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No it doesn't. You're never guaranteed to pass down Hidden abilities.
 
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You have the best chance when the mother has it, though.

Also, Destiny Knot breeding simplifies it, but there's a lot of luck involved, even when breeding fine parents.
 
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Ah, I see. Thanks. Been playing Pokemon forever but just recently started dabbling in EVs, IVs, and breeding for competitive battling.
 
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I've only recently started messing around with breeding for IVs, myself. I want to make sure I'm doing this optimally.

Right now, in the Day care, I have ..
Two Drilburs. One male, one female. One has perfect IVs in everything but Speed, the other has perfect IVs in everything but HP. One has a Destiny Knot, the other has an Everstone to pass down its Adamant nature. Is there anything else I can do to help get a perfect Adamant Excadrill, or is it just down to persistence, dumb luck, and lots of hatching at this point?
 
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Basically, yes.
 
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Thank you. I should probably call it good enough with the one that's maxed in all but HP, but I'm feeling oddly stubborn. :)
 
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I still think I'm doing something wrong ... I'm still only getting two or three (very rarely four) maxed out stats according to the Judge guy. If the Destiny Knot grabs 5 random IVs, shouldn't I be almost guaranteed of getting 5 perfect ones at this point?

Edit:
I might be misreading the Judge ... he'll say, for example 'It's greatest potential is in its HP', then say another stat is 'just as good', while also just saying that other stats are 'good'. Does this mean two different things?
 
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FoxFire said:
'It's greatest potential is in its HP', then say another stat is 'just as good', while also just saying that other stats are 'good'.
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If he finishes a list of stats with, "simply can't be beat," than that means the stats he listed have persect iv's.

"It's greatest potential is HP, but attack is good to, and special d, and speed. With these stats it simply can't be beat!"
 
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Prince Dedenne said:
FoxFire said:
'It's greatest potential is in its HP', then say another stat is 'just as good', while also just saying that other stats are 'good'.
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If he finishes a list of stats with, "simply can't be beat," than that means the stats he listed have persect iv's.
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Thanks, exactly what I needed to know. :)

Edit:
Finally got one with perfect stats, but of course it came out with the wrong Ability! At least I know I'm doing it right. Thanks for all the help!
 
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