Pokemon Changes for Pokémon

[Umbra]

Copy and Paste from another website:

I know this is going to sound really stupid. But I have friends who work at Gamestop and I have worked at Gamestop before. Gamefreak needs to really get their ostrich like heads out of the sand to realize the majority of Pokemon players are still somewhere between 20-39 age range. I know a lot of 30 something years old who still play Pokemon. I'm 22 and I play Pokemon.

I was discussing this idea with a few friends about the future of Pokemon. I need Gamefreak really needs to look at who is really buying their games. And I think instead of making Another Region, with Another Set of 200 Pokemon. I think Gamefreak should go for an RPG.

Wait wait before you bring in your pitchforks and torches. Here me out on this one. Pokemon is already a kind of RPG. And when I say RPG, I mean the slightest minor alterations of the game. I don't want some fancy complicated RPG for Pokemon because that isn't what Pokemon is. Instead, I'd like to see a better variation with the trainer customization maybe allow the option for some different eye shapes to make the character younger or older.

Second I like them to simply add all the regions they have now, Kanto, Johto, Unova, Kalos, etc. And then have the trainer pick out which is their starting home. Then allow us to persue a choice of trainer. These are very minor, but have a overall goal such as:

Ace Trainer, you would become the champion of each region
Beauty Trainer, I liked the tournaments so becoming the reigning tournament champion
Ranger, complete the Pokedex

These would be goals to reach as an end game puzzle.

Nothing to big and fancy. I just think this is something that would become appealing.

Sidenotes:

I understand that Pokemon is still big in Japan with children.

And another side note:

Pokemon suffers in the same way Yugioh did.

Cutification.

Which is odd considering the very early Pokemon games were not very cute to look at. It was after the anime and it got popular that it got cuter, and cuter, and cuter. To the point where I just can't.

In the first two games, Silver, and Blue. I remember your rival being a total ass.

In Pokemon X, your rival is your friend, and everything is about friendship and the way your Pokemon feel good. I don't mind feeding and making my Pokemon feel good. But Pokemon has gotten real soft and touchy feely as of late.

Even the badguys suffer from cutification in some way or another. Team Flare is a joke compared to Team Rocket or even Team Magma.

edit-

And I mean come on. If any other trainer can have narrow eyes, like this

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/16/XY_Ace_Trainer_M.png

or this

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/a/a6/HeartGold_SoulSilver_Silver.png/208px-HeartGold_SoulSilver_Silver.png

Why does my main character have to always look like this

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/c0/HeartGold_SoulSilver_Ethan.png

or this

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJr5v1oc1Mc-5o0Th5P32W-vSwMMkRAffOcpT6W1zZPgy3BzB0

Seriously

 

[Patriots Fan]

RE: The Future of Pokemon

Maybe the person who typed that has a slight point (assuming they're not just trolling). Pokemon, IMO, is still fun but the more recent games lack that "it" factor that made the earlier versions more fun.

 

[Umbra]

RE: The Future of Pokemon

I meant, I was the one who wrote that on another website. Pokemon X definitely got me back into Pokemon.

My first two games ever was Silver and Blue. I just couldn't get into Diamond and Pearl. Pokemon Black was okay.

Pokemon X was definitely a start in the right, imo. At least from a trainer customization standpoint. However! The Pokemon were uninspiring and just lacked the luster they usually have.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

RE: The Future of Pokemon

What really worries me about the future of Pokemon is that they've removed all sense of depth and challenge from the game. They've lowered the difficulty significantly in 5th gen and the gameplay has suffered as a result, leaving us with linear regional design that gives us very little opportunity for exploration, underwhelming battles, and a general sense of handholding. It's not as fun when you can't take off the training wheels the entire game.

 

[xxashxx]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Pokemon is an RPG game but it is a very basic RPG. If you have never played an RPG before this is a great way to get introduced into the RPG world. Look at the Final Fantasy games for instance. They are full length RPG's that can take like 3 months if you play day and most of the night to complete the games.. What I am trying to point out Pokemon is a great start on all standards for anyone to get into the RPG or role playing game world. It is very basic because not every new player would know how to play Final Fantasy well and they would not get far in those games whereas Pokemon is simply easy because it teaches you how to role play and use items to heal and become more powerful and better. If you feel your ready for a much harder RPG then step up to Final Fantasy or another RPG game that will take not only longer but is harder as well.

I would recommended Pokemon as a stater RPG because it is basic and it will get you started in the basic RPG format. If you are ready for a Harder RPG. Step up to Final Fantasy or another RPG series game that is harder and longer too.

 

[Umbra]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Pokemon is an RPG game but it is a very basic RPG. If you have never played an RPG before this is a great way to get introduced into the RPG world. Look at the Final Fantasy games for instance. They are full length RPG's that can take like 3 months if you play day and most of the night to complete the games.. What I am trying to point out Pokemon is a great start on all standards for anyone to get into the RPG or role playing game world. It is very basic because not every new player would know how to play Final Fantasy well and they would not get far in those games whereas Pokemon is simply easy because it teaches you how to role play and use items to heal and become more powerful and better. If you feel your ready for a much harder RPG then step up to Final Fantasy or another RPG game that will take not only longer but is harder as well.

I would recommended Pokemon as a stater RPG because it is basic and it will get you started in the basic RPG format. If you are ready for a Harder RPG. Step up to Final Fantasy or another RPG series game that is harder and longer too.

Thing is I played the harder rpgs before Pokemon. Pokemon Blue was not my first rodeo when I was a kid. I was playing Arena and The Elder Scrolls. Alongside the Shin Megami Tensei games.

 

[xxashxx]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Try Final Fantasy. That game is super hard on the 2nd half of the 3rd game.

 

[Umbra]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Try Final Fantasy. That game is super hard on the 2nd half of the 3rd game.

I hate FF. I have played them as well. I really don't like the series. I have to make another thread about why I hate FF so much.

 

[Cinesra]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

I know this is going to sound really stupid. But I have friends who work at Gamestop and I have worked at Gamestop before. Gamefreak needs to really get their ostrich like heads out of the sand to realize the majority of Pokemon players are still somewhere between 20-39 age range. I know a lot of 30 something years old who still play Pokemon.

While I would like for Game Freak to make a more "mature" main series Pokemon game, they really don't have to. Their biggest audience around the world, not just Japan, is kids. You may have seen more adults at Gamestop, but I'd imagine that's because kids will buy from Walmart or another store, ask a relative to buy it for them such as a parent for their birthday, or it's just a feature of the area you worked in and isn't true everywhere else. Even if the adult audience is bigger in America; they still don't "need to get their ostrich like heads out of the sand". The pokemon games are still selling great just the way they are. They don't /need/ to change anything from a business perspective until that changes.

 

[Umbra]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

I know this is going to sound really stupid. But I have friends who work at Gamestop and I have worked at Gamestop before. Gamefreak needs to really get their ostrich like heads out of the sand to realize the majority of Pokemon players are still somewhere between 20-39 age range. I know a lot of 30 something years old who still play Pokemon.

While I would like for Game Freak to make a more "mature" main series Pokemon game, they really don't have to. Their biggest audience around the world, not just Japan, is kids. You may have seen more adults at Gamestop, but I'd imagine that's because kids will buy from Walmart or another store, ask a relative to buy it for them such as a parent for their birthday, or it's just a feature of the area you worked in and isn't true everywhere else. Even if the adult audience is bigger in America; they still don't "need to get their ostrich like heads out of the sand". The pokemon games are still selling great just the way they are. They don't /need/ to change anything from a business perspective until that changes.

Yet no one seems to address the other thing, cutification, but okay.

Here's the thing is ever since I was a kid, I was never going to Target or Walmart to buy my games. It was Gamecrazy or Gamestop. And I have been playing M rated games since I was 8. There are plenty of kids who come into Gamestop.

 

[Sheriff_K]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Pokemon IS an RPG... >_<

And nothing wrong with cutification. Pokemon would be stupid if they weren't cute, and some are more badazz than cute..
Besides, some of those PokeDex entries are EXTREMELY macabre..
(PS. Where do you think Hamburgers come from? Hint: Miltanks)

But I do agree that Gamefreak needs to realize their demographic. Just like Call of Duty is played by mostly little kids, Pokemon is played by mostly older players.. xD

And yeah X/Y was kind of easy, mostly due to them giving you Megas and steamrolling with them.. Or the fact that Greninja is op. Maybe if they waited till the end to give you Mega Evolution, or if there was straight up difficulty modes, like in most RPGs. ie, Easy, Normal, Hard, INSANE..

 

[Prince Dedenne]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

Moved this thread from 'VG News & General Discussion' to 'General Pokémon Discussion' since it's about the franchise as a whole rather than just the video games.

 

[Patriots Fan]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Pokemon IS an RPG... >_<

And nothing wrong with cutification. Pokemon would be stupid if they weren't cute, and some are more badazz than cute..
Besides, some of those PokeDex entries are EXTREMELY macabre..
(PS. Where do you think Hamburgers come from? Hint: Miltanks)

But I do agree that Gamefreak needs to realize their demographic. Just like Call of Duty is played by mostly little kids, Pokemon is played by mostly older players.. xD

And yeah X/Y was kind of easy, mostly due to them giving you Megas and steamrolling with them.. Or the fact that Greninja is op. Maybe if they waited till the end to give you Mega Evolution, or if there was straight up difficulty modes, like in most RPGs. ie, Easy, Normal, Hard, INSANE..

Ironically, 99% of people who play CoD will say Pokemon is for little kids...

OT: There's nothing cute about Stunfisk... not all Pokemon are meant to be cute.

 

[Umbra]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Pokemon IS an RPG... >_<

And nothing wrong with cutification. Pokemon would be stupid if they weren't cute, and some are more badazz than cute..
Besides, some of those PokeDex entries are EXTREMELY macabre..
(PS. Where do you think Hamburgers come from? Hint: Miltanks)

But I do agree that Gamefreak needs to realize their demographic. Just like Call of Duty is played by mostly little kids, Pokemon is played by mostly older players.. xD

And yeah X/Y was kind of easy, mostly due to them giving you Megas and steamrolling with them.. Or the fact that Greninja is op. Maybe if they waited till the end to give you Mega Evolution, or if there was straight up difficulty modes, like in most RPGs. ie, Easy, Normal, Hard, INSANE..

Pokemon being cute is fine.

The Trainer themselves, not so fine. I'm to be honest a 22 year old male. Especially now that we have added characetr customization, I do not want a cute trainer. It doesn't appeal to me. I want to look like my rivals from previous games or the Ace Trainers, etc.

An older, more mature Trainer appeals to me more so than the cutso sprites. I just don't like it.

Especially since I have played most of the games. Pokemon Stadium Silver, the trainer card is wearing a cheeky smile.

The rivals are much older and more mature. Except for the newer ones.

And I already explained that currently the Pokemon has taken on this strange, friendship and love.

I remember my rivals like Gary or Silver [???] were just dickwads. They were a-holes. Now we have a rival, who is our friend, and with the power of our friendship our rivalship grows stronger because friends and love and yeah.

 

[Familiar]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

Pokemon IS an RPG... >_<

Not in the traditional sense. Most RPG, you develop your character. You gain levels, skills, and hit points. In Pokemon you develop your Pokemon.

 

[Mitja]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

tldr version of my post:
Pokemon is doing great and I seriously doubt these suggestions would raise the sales, nor would I want them to implement them compared to general improvements and added depth/more interesting plot.

Gamefreak needs to really get their ostrich like heads out of the sand...

WTF?

...to realize the majority of Pokemon players are still somewhere between 20-39 age range. I know a lot of 30 something years old who still play Pokemon. I'm 22 and I play Pokemon.

Do you really think a company like gamefreak doesn't keep track or even do the least bit of research about who is buying their products?

But anyway, their approach is more about making their games as accessible as possible rather than making them for some particular demographic.

If you want a more mature game from them, that's fine. Plenty of people might like it. But it's not something they're going to do, for both, financial reasons (limiting instead of widening the target audience) and their philosophy (playable by as many people as possible, with extra depth added for the serious/mature players on top of it).

So it's either hoping for some spin-off, or for more depth in the optional parts of the games.

I was discussing this idea with a few friends about the future of Pokemon. I need Gamefreak really needs to look at who is really buying their games. And I think instead of making Another Region, with Another Set of 200 Pokemon. I think Gamefreak should go for an RPG.

Wait wait before you bring in your pitchforks and torches. Here me out on this one. Pokemon is already a kind of RPG. And when I say RPG, I mean the slightest minor alterations of the game. I don't want some fancy complicated RPG for Pokemon because that isn't what Pokemon is. Instead, I'd like to see a better variation with the trainer customization maybe allow the option for some different eye shapes to make the character younger or older.

Second I like them to simply add all the regions they have now, Kanto, Johto, Unova, Kalos, etc. And then have the trainer pick out which is their starting home. Then allow us to persue a choice of trainer. These are very minor, but have a overall goal such as:

Ace Trainer, you would become the champion of each region
Beauty Trainer, I liked the tournaments so becoming the reigning tournament champion
Ranger, complete the Pokedex

These would be goals to reach as an end game puzzle.

Nothing to big and fancy. I just think this is something that would become appealing.

Oh.

You may not realize this, but you just listed like the most common fan ideas on the "best pokemon game" people have been coming up with for a decade. All the regions, check. Full trainer customisation, check. Pick your goal (Ranger, Prof, Contests, Breeder..), check.
The only thing missing is "mmorpg".

None of these seem like big game changes to me. I had something entirely different in mind, when I thought of a pokemon game aimed at more mature audiences.
For all the regions, it's simply way more work for a much more bland game (especially since the places would all be places we have already been to in the first place..).
For picking your goal, it's the same thing as earlier. Why limit options instead of adding them?

Cutification.

Which is odd considering the very early Pokemon games were not very cute to look at. It was after the anime and it got popular that it got cuter, and cuter, and cuter. To the point where I just can't.

Like living-pink-blobs-with-smilie-faces cute?

not cute at all

totally badass monsters

throughout the generations, pokemon remains as consistent as possible with keeping it's huge range of "cutability", coolness, weirdness and creativity.

For any new pokemon that someone might deem "too cute", or too stylish, or too weird, or too whatever, there is always examples all the way to the beginning saying otherwise.

And in case you are really talking more about everything else besides the monsters themselves (ie characters), that is debatable. It might also be the case that the games are just getting more fleshed out/detailed as the graphics improve, but in general I think it's the same case as with the pokémon designs. There is fun characters, there is serious and cool ones, there is cliche characters and all that, most of the time.

Even the badguys suffer from cutification in some way or another. Team Flare is a joke compared to Team Rocket or even Team Magma.

Team Flare certainly look goofy as heck. But their ultimate plan was going to result in the destruction of Kalos, which is as sinister as Pokemon has ever gotten. Especially compared to Magma, who wanted to get rid of the ocean with more sunshine~

But how were Neo Plasma for example any less cool/bad/whatever than Team Rocket? They even had a trio of ninjas guarding their leader lol. What were they lacking besides the R on their shirts?

And I already explained that currently the Pokemon has taken on this strange, friendship and love.

I remember my rivals like Gary or Silver [???] were just dickwads. They were a-holes. Now we have a rival, who is our friend, and with the power of our friendship our rivalship grows stronger because friends and love and yeah.

Why are rivals who are dicks an appealing idea?

I'm not saying the current XY-style bunch of friends are awesome characters, but the "dickwad" isn't any better. What do you gain from learning you are better than someone who is an ass?

I'd personally want a rival to always be a step ahead of you, but with mutual respect. But then again, that's what the gym leaders/E4/champ are already doing (which still have lots of room for improvement of course).



Also, you want them to NOT add more pokemon?

This is the main part of the franchise, probably not just for me.

 

[Umbra]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

Probably is if they are going to add new pokemon. It should be good looking Pokemon

 

[professorlight]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

Here we go again...

throughout the generations, pokemon remains as consistent as possible with keeping it's huge range of "cutability", coolness, weirdness and creativity.

For any new pokemon that someone might deem "too cute", or too stylish, or too weird, or too whatever, there is always examples all the way to the beginning saying otherwise.

 

[Umbra]

RE: Changes for Pokémon (Opinion)

The point I'm trying to make is the fact that I do not want rivals who are assholes or to friendly. I just want normal people as rivals. I want the ability to say No. So it's like

"You're going to take down Team [whatever it is]"

And if you give me the option to say Yes or No, allow me to say No.

 

[xxashxx]

RE: The Future of Pokémon

Try Final Fantasy. That game is super hard on the 2nd half of the 3rd game.

I hate FF. I have played them as well. I really don't like the series. I have to make another thread about why I hate FF so much.

Ok try World of Warcraft or League of Legends or Minecraft. These ones are kind of a RPG except you are in control of everything.