Cheating at Regionals

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHR54jE6Wn8&list=HL1350527274&feature=mh_lolz

Andrew Newman Vs Ryan Soles
Indiana Regionals via The Top Cut

"Skip to 8:15. Newman has played an N and begins to shuffle his deck when a Pokemon Catcher falls face-up onto the table. Watch closely to where that Pokemon Catcher ends up: Newman places Pokemon Catcher on the bottom of the deck, shuffles it to the very top of the deck, and shuffles a few more into the middle of the deck (being careful not to change the top card of his deck, of course). Soles does not cut, and lone behold the top card of Newman's deck is a Pokemon Catcher.

Skip to 21:00. After Soles knocks out a Garchomp, Newman sees he needs an energy to do Dragon Blade with his second Garchomp, which sits on his bench as he decides what to promote. Despite having a free-retreating Emolga on his bench, he confidently promotes the Garchomp. He plays an N, places his hand on top of his deck, and then proceeds to actually LOOK THROUGH HIS DECK before shuffling. Newman "shuffles," Soles does not cut, and what do you know - he draws an energy.

Skip to 22:45. Newman plays a Random Receiver, revealing the remaining three cards of his deck, which includes a Garchomp. With no supporters remaining in his deck, Newman "shuffles" his three remaining cards. Normally after you search a deck with only 3-5 cards remaining, you give it a nice long shuffle so as to be sure you are sufficiently randomizing your deck. Not Newman! He "shuffles" his 3 remaining cards by simply moving the Garchomp from the front of the deck to the back, and then to the front again. Next turn he draws - wait for it - the Garchomp, and then uses Rare Candy on his last Gible.

I mean, c'mon. Normally I probably wouldn't say anything, but Soles is a friend and so I am especially angered to see Newman taking advantage of Soles being trustworthy enough to not cut Newman's deck." - Mattalvis @ pokegym
 
RE: Cheating

Ok, and?

What's the point of C/Ping a thread from Pokegym? He cheated. There's nothing really to discuss. The only thing we can do is just wait for TPCi to do something, if anything.
 
RE: Cheating

Mudkip711 said:
Ok, and?

What's the point of C/Ping a thread from Pokegym? He cheated. There's nothing really to discuss. The only thing we can do is just wait for TPCi to do something, if anything.

it's more of an attempt to provoke awareness.
people lend their trust freely too often and it's just to show that there are
people who cheat. this is solid evidence and it sparks the awareness.
keeps people on their toes and keeps them mentally sharp so they will always cut and or shuffle an opponents deck.
things like this never hurt to be aware of, we didn't need your smart remark.
 
RE: Cheating

Sheee-EEESH! I imagine blatant manipulation like that would've been fairly easy to notice :/. Wasn't a Judge watching from the side or something??
 
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PumpedAaron said:
Sheee-EEESH! I imagine blatant manipulation like that would've been fairly easy to notice :/. Wasn't a Judge watching from the side or something??

I'm surprised Pooka didn't catch it when he was doing commentary.
 
RE: Cheating

The reason is because it's so inconspicuous. No judge would ever catch a player shuffling a card to the top of his deck because it just looks like normal shuffling.

...I'm glad I learned about this, however. I'm going to be shuffling my opponent's deck every time now, and at least cutting it if I trust the person.
 
RE: Cheating

Cheating like this isn't fair. Cheating should be stopped. My friend once had a horrible deck but won because he always searched his deck for moltres and put it on top of his deck before battling. He was just a newbie.
Cheating should stop...
 
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I'm wondering if Newman knew he was being recorded. (It should've been obvious, and they probably told him that he was being recorded.)
Then that makes me wonder why he cheated in front of a camera...
 
RE: Cheating

o0Flint0o said:
I'm wondering if Newman knew he was being recorded. (It should've been obvious, and they probably told him that he was being recorded.)
Then that makes me wonder why he cheated in front of a camera...
I'm almost positive that players have to consent to being recorded.
 
RE: Cheating

QWERTY DITTO said:
o0Flint0o said:
I'm wondering if Newman knew he was being recorded. (It should've been obvious, and they probably told him that he was being recorded.)
Then that makes me wonder why he cheated in front of a camera...
I'm almost positive that players have to consent to being recorded.

I wish I worded that a little better, but still.
 
RE: Cheating

Because Garchomp can't win even if the player cheats

-Some guy on Gym.


He is obviously desperate.
 
RE: Cheating

PumpedAaron said:
Wasn't a Judge watching from the side or something??
It was a match in Round 3.
Judges are not going to be hovering over matches for prolonged periods of time unless it's in an actual top cut match. They need to be orbiting the tourney area.

Yes, so he was seen cheating on camera, and he lost. Now we all know what he did so methods like that are going to be easier to detect.

This is really all this thread boils down to.
 
RE: Cheating

DNA said:
PumpedAaron said:
Wasn't a Judge watching from the side or something??
It was a match in Round 3.
Judges are not going to be hovering over matches for prolonged periods of time unless it's in an actual top cut match. They need to be orbiting the tourney area.

Yes, so he was seen cheating on camera, and he lost. Now we all know what he did so methods like that are going to be easier to detect.

This is really all this thread boils down to.

100% correct, just to spark awareness.
 
RE: Cheating

Creating awareness is half the battle when it comes to cheating.

There was a case in the world of Magic the Gathering, where a regular player in the Star City Games open was filmed in feature matches. It was discovered that he was cheating.

This discovery wasn't made till after he won player of the year and was given a pretty hefty sum of money and product.

When the DCI, the game's governing body in terms of rules, investigated and found him to be cheating, he was stripped of his title and the money.

Similar sort of thing going on here. Cheating is a blight on the game/s we play and needs to be stamped out.
 
RE: Cheating

Just so everyone knows Newman did actually receive a ban a couple years back for cheating and has a reputation in every card game as a cheater. I think Yu-Gi-Oh would suit him perfectly.
 
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cf11 said:
Just so everyone knows Newman did actually receive a ban a couple years back for cheating and has a reputation in every card game as a cheater. I think Yu-Gi-Oh would suit him perfectly.

Hey now, no need to flame another card game's playerbase just because of what Newman did in this one.
 
RE: Cheating

cf11 said:
I think Yu-Gi-Oh would suit him perfectly.


Ouch man, I felt that.
Seriously, just shuffle/cut your opponent's deck to prevent early game shenanigans. And there are tons of videos on YouTube that show you some common tricks cheaters use, along with ways they can take advantage of newer players. There will always be cheaters in games like this, you just have to be smart enough to know when you're playing one.
 
RE: Cheating

The way I've been going about cheating (Even though it never happened to me,) is to watch them shuffle, and if they drop a card, or make a "mistake" in shuffling, make sure to cut the deck.
 
RE: Cheating

He knew he was being recorded, obviously.

There was a part in the game where he flashed his crappy hand to the camera.
 
RE: Cheating

Another way Ive seen people cheat is they take a dice put whatever number they want on top odds/evens and then they simply just spin the dice and its heads 95% of the time. Ive seen people get like 15 Crushing Hammer heads in a row :/
 
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