Cobalion NV in TyRam?

C

Card Slinger J

Aspiring Trainer
Member
I was thinking with alot of decks running Kyurem in the next set, do you
think Reshiphlosion will be able to tech in Cobalion just to get around it's Weakness to Water from Kyurem? Incase you don't know what Cobalion (the good version) does next set here it is:

069.jpg


Cobalion – Metal – HP120
Basic Pokemon

[M][C] Energy Breath: 20+ damage. Does 20 damage times the number of Energy attached to the Defending Pokemon.
[M][M][C] Iron Break: 80 damage. During your opponent’s next turn, the Defending Pokemon that was hit by this attack can’t use any attacks.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 2

What do you guys think? Hard enough to run the {M} without hurting TyRam's consistency with {R} utilizing Afterburner with Typhlosion Prime? If I remember correctly Typhlosion only gets back Basic Fire energies not Rainbow Energies so it could work against you I suppose.
 
I am not sure how well this is going to suffice as a Kyurem counter. Once set up it will work very well, however; due to its Metal Energy cost, it is going to be difficult to splash it into a tight list. Other possible issues is that it has a two retreat cost, and is useless in a lot of match ups. I'm kinda leaning towards thinking this is a poor counter right now, but it might be the best that we have. I will have to look around.
 
Kyurem isn't really hyped enough to devote ~5-8 cards to beating it. It's not worth it to "tech" that many cards to win any matchup. I haven't tested with it yet so I'll hold off on judgement for awhile, but most of the better players seem to be tossing the card as Tier 1. It also takes 3 turns to power the thing up and Kyurem does run Catcher.
 
Yeah I still don't see how it will work in TyRam, the problem with TyRam is that it needs Fire Energies as it's basis to ensure it's consistent with the Pokemon lines it runs. Running a few Metal energies for Cobalion is just a huge risk that in the odds of a mirror match they could just Catcher the Cobalion and KO it with Reshiram with ease with Weakness.

If Energy Breath was {C}{C} instead of {M}{C}, then it'd be broken as a counter against Kyurem. Yeah I'll attach 2 {R} on Cobalion and use Energy Breath for 80 double damage being 160 damage straight at Kyurem. We see how consistent Samurott (Ability) is for Hydro Pump with the {C}{C}{C} attack cost so I guess we should be thankful it's not in favor for Cobalion.

Celebi23 said:
Kyurem isn't really hyped enough to devote ~5-8 cards to beating it. It's not worth it to "tech" that many cards to win any matchup. I haven't tested with it yet so I'll hold off on judgement for awhile, but most of the better players seem to be tossing the card as Tier 1. It also takes 3 turns to power the thing up and Kyurem does run Catcher.
Click to expand...

If you think Kyurem is not good enough to be hyped upon you don't realize how good it can be. 130 HP Basic with {M} Weakness, that is amazingly good for a Water Type Pokemon in this TCG. Outrage for {C}{C} just like Reshiram and Zekrom? that can prove to be an amazing tech against TyRam and DonChamp as I've stated before. Both decks are weak to {W} and this is one of the metagame changers we need next set to make things interesting again.
 
Well, since Glaciate is going to run your energy resources dry and make you fall behind on prizes, nobody is going to use Kyurem for that. That basically means his only uses are in D&D and googlebox. In D&D its highly unlikely he won't have any damage on him when he gets brought up (if he has no damage his outrages will only do 40 so that won't help you anyway) and if he has even 1 damage counter on him Reshiphlosion can OHKO him, and due to having energy acceleration and not relying on special energy Reshirams can be set up more consistently, so Reshiphlosion should be able to keep up with D&D regardless of Kyurem, so Cobalion is a waste of space in that matchup. Finally, we get to googlebox. Now, keep in mind that if googlebox gets set up, Reshiphlosion will usually lose to it anyway (unless they use Typhlosion to Flare Destroy special energies and cause an energy drought, altough I haven't tested enough to know how well that actually works) so I think a better tech against googlebox is Zoroark or Bellsprout, who can help or KO reuniclus (Zoroark does so by copying SEL's Torrent Blade) which is far more helpful than KOing one Pokemon and then watching another sweep you, and they are both far more splashable due to running on colorless and having less retreat.

td;dr I don't think Cobalion improves any Reshiphlosion matchups and takes a huge amount of trouble to use it, so really all it does is dervrease consistency and speed of Reshiphlosion, hurting it ten times more than it helps.
 
scizor can one shot kyurem with 2 metals. Plus why does the attack translation say 20 times when on the card it shows 20+
 
Card Slinger J said:
If you think Kyurem is not good enough to be hyped upon you don't realize how good it can be. 130 HP Basic with {M} Weakness, that is amazingly good for a Water Type Pokemon in this TCG. Outrage for {C}{C} just like Reshiram and Zekrom? that can prove to be an amazing tech against TyRam and DonChamp as I've stated before. Both decks are weak to {W} and this is one of the metagame changers we need next set to make things interesting again.
Click to expand...

DonChamp is a bad deck, and a counter to it won't change anything.

What can Kyruem do to Reshiram? Outrage? 40. Glaciate? 60. With a pluspower, you can only 2 hit ko Reshiram. Kyruem has no energy acceleration, and a low damage output. Reuniclus gives it problems too. Reshiram can ohko a Kyruem with the help of pluspower or Kingdra every single turn. No counter is needed.
 
Sure, you OHKO Kyurem. Why not just do that with Reshiram and a PlusPower rather than have a bunch of useless cards in the deck for every other matchup?
 
How did this get to be a discussion on kyurem? I think cobalion could work if it's second attack was {M}{C}{C}. Idk how much play it will see though
 
^This got to be a discussion on Kyurem because the original idea was using this as a counter for Kyurem.

MCC is still pretty bad for TyRam. That's just too many spaces for a counter.
 
glaceon said:
DonChamp is a bad deck, and a counter to it won't change anything.
Click to expand...

How is DonChamp a bad deck? One of my friends who ran a DonChamp deck
actually made the semifinals at Battle Roads. So yeah, I'm offended by that comment you just made. The deck itself is at the very least a Tier 2 deck in this format but it has a slightly better win-ratio than Mew variants.
 
Making semi-finals at a battle roads in this game is basically the equivalent of winning a dollar in the lottery - it's hardly an accomplishment. Half the good players don't bother with them and most people don't take them very seriously.

DonChamp isn't a bad deck, I suppose, but it's certainly not a good deck either.

Although I would like to point out to glaceon that with a PlusPower you would 2HKO a Reshiram, not 3HKO. Also, Kyurem has both Feraligatr and Floatzel for acceleration so I'm not sure where that comment came from.
 
DonChamp is not a bad deck, you are right, it is terrible. It is 100% outclassed by Donphan Dragons or Stage 1. You will never get a Machamp out against a good player. It didn't preform well at Nats, or Worlds. Top 4 at a Battle Roads isn't going to chance anyone's mind, I won a battle roads last season with Magnezone SF, that doesn't mean it was tier 2, if a DonChamp wins a Regionals, lets talk. I don't know where you are getting the stat for Mew from, because it isn't true, because only like 3 people have played DonChamp since July.

Back on topic, TyRam does not need a Kyurem counter, I agree with that, but other decks might need one. Steelix Prime is another decent option for some decks, Kyurem can't do anything to it, and Steelix 2 shots Kyurem (with Pluspower). The reality is, there aren't going to be many good counters to anything in such a small set pool, so you really just need to work on consistency, and out speeding your opponent.

Edit: Ninja'd by a lot. I need to stop taking so long to post.
 
To me it sounds like when you say that DonChamp is a terrible deck that also to me sounds like you're saying that MewPluff or MewLock is a terrible deck also but then again it just really depends on the metagame. Overall metagames like in Regionals or Worlds it makes sense but for small events like BR's and Cities it's dependant on the place's own metagame depending on how many players attend for the events themselves.

Whose right mind is going to run Steelix Prime when TyRam already dominates it? a deck that has already proven to be Tier 1 itself already IMO it's halfway between Tier 1 and 2 given that depending on the right build it will win 1st place in ALOT of events. I've seen Reshiphlosion dominate in 2 BR's so far and that goes without saying that it's already a solid deck itself. It's really about getting those 2-3 Typhlosion's on the bench that accelerates the deck like crazy with Afterburner.
 
How do you go from DonChamp being a bad deck to Mew being a bad deck? Mew isn't played because it counters DonChamp lol.

Again, a couple battle roads mean nothing in the big scheme of things. Seeing TyRam dominate those two battle roads won't change anybody's mind on the deck. I won't listen to anything other than testing results. Tournament results are to get an idea of what the metagame is, not what the best deck is.
 
Resharim with a plus power can OHKO Kyurem. Kyurem needs 5 damage counters on it to OHKO resharim. Therefore I don't see a counter as needed.

However I should point out that rainbow energy works well in Reshiphlosion (the correct deck name) and coballion could be a 1 card tech to do 100 damage to a fully charged kyurem. Is it a great idea? Maybe not, but it might be worth 1 spot in a deck.
 
Right now I just run Beartic because it also assists with the Gothitelle matchup which is horrible and only requires one energy that isn't fire. It may be a Stage 1, but at least it is weak to metal instead of {R} like Cobalion will be. It actually helps it against many matchups.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top