Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? To be frank, I wouldn't want the government making decisions for me. State your opinions.
Communism
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RE: Communism in China
I agree with you.
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RE: Communism in China
Communism is never ever ever ever ever ever ever good; and I defy you to find one person on PokéBeach who disagrees with me. The meaning of life is to be free and make decisions for ourselves. That's what we fight for, work for, and strive for. When we can't make decisions for ourselves, we have lost not only what is important to us, but everything we once thought and loved.
Communism is never ever ever ever ever ever ever good; and I defy you to find one person on PokéBeach who disagrees with me. The meaning of life is to be free and make decisions for ourselves. That's what we fight for, work for, and strive for. When we can't make decisions for ourselves, we have lost not only what is important to us, but everything we once thought and loved.
RE: Communism in China
Galefail, you can't just say it's never ever good, that's your opinion. I wouldn't say it's that bad, every form of economic and social system has their own good and bad sides. For stating Communism is bad you first have to hear both sides of the story. Go and ask a Communist what the good thing of Communism is. Anyway, I'm not for nor I'm against it. Neither I say it's better then the current system, still the current system isn't that great either.
Galefail, you can't just say it's never ever good, that's your opinion. I wouldn't say it's that bad, every form of economic and social system has their own good and bad sides. For stating Communism is bad you first have to hear both sides of the story. Go and ask a Communist what the good thing of Communism is. Anyway, I'm not for nor I'm against it. Neither I say it's better then the current system, still the current system isn't that great either.
RE: Communism in China
Well, if you ask a Communist if they think Communism is a good thing, of course they will say yes. If you ask a Satanist if they think the Devil is good, they'll say yes, too. Communism has proven to not work as evidenced by both how it creates an economic and social downfall in the country, but how it also hurts the countries surrounding that country (as evidenced by Vietnam). Perhaps you're correct in saying that when I said Communism was a bad thing that there would be those who wouldn't agree with me, and yes, that's true. But to be honest, the only people who usually LIKE Communism are power-hungry and want to control everything possible in their country, including their peoples' lives.
Pokequaza said:
Well, if you ask a Communist if they think Communism is a good thing, of course they will say yes. If you ask a Satanist if they think the Devil is good, they'll say yes, too. Communism has proven to not work as evidenced by both how it creates an economic and social downfall in the country, but how it also hurts the countries surrounding that country (as evidenced by Vietnam). Perhaps you're correct in saying that when I said Communism was a bad thing that there would be those who wouldn't agree with me, and yes, that's true. But to be honest, the only people who usually LIKE Communism are power-hungry and want to control everything possible in their country, including their peoples' lives.
RE: Communism in China
Not that bad? They beat up people just because they say that the government should improve a thing or two. That is bad.
People shouldn't be treated like robots.
And if you ask a communist whether communism is bad... of course they can't say "yes"...it's like asking for a death penalty.
Pokequaza said:
Not that bad? They beat up people just because they say that the government should improve a thing or two. That is bad.
People shouldn't be treated like robots.
And if you ask a communist whether communism is bad... of course they can't say "yes"...it's like asking for a death penalty.
RE: Communism in China
Brainwashed Westerners in this thread.
America is closer to being communist than China. Communism is economics, and china pretty much has a freer market that even we do.
Brainwashed Westerners in this thread.
America is closer to being communist than China. Communism is economics, and china pretty much has a freer market that even we do.
RE: Communism in China
lol. At least our Government doesn't tell us what jobs we can have or force our children to work. China probably is better than America currently in some areas, yes (thank the recession for that). I'd rather be able to be free in American than not under a Communist rule.
Communism isn't all economics, also. That should be obvious by now =_=
Medaforcer said:
lol. At least our Government doesn't tell us what jobs we can have or force our children to work. China probably is better than America currently in some areas, yes (thank the recession for that). I'd rather be able to be free in American than not under a Communist rule.
Communism isn't all economics, also. That should be obvious by now =_=
RE: Communism in China
But America doesn't force people to work or have less girls than boys in a family. We're talking about people, not markets.
And about the Westeners...sounds a little racist.
Btw...I'm Asian. >.>
Medaforcer said:
But America doesn't force people to work or have less girls than boys in a family. We're talking about people, not markets.
And about the Westeners...sounds a little racist.
Btw...I'm Asian. >.>
RE: Communism in China
Galefail said:
RE: Communism in China
I didn't know we were still recoiling from the Cold War. Communism was never that much of a threat. It was portrayed as such, but that is because it was different. And as a white dominated half of the world we hate different.
Galefail said:
I didn't know we were still recoiling from the Cold War. Communism was never that much of a threat. It was portrayed as such, but that is because it was different. And as a white dominated half of the world we hate different.
RE: Communism in China
I'm just saying that families should have the right to how much children they want. My opinion.
What I meant was you said 'brainwashed.' and I did't know the word to describe what you said other than racist so yeah. lawl...I wasn't saying you are a racist, I'm saying it was kinda racist.
Medaforcer said:
I'm just saying that families should have the right to how much children they want. My opinion.
What I meant was you said 'brainwashed.' and I did't know the word to describe what you said other than racist so yeah. lawl...I wasn't saying you are a racist, I'm saying it was kinda racist.
RE: Communism in China
At least America stopped child labor a loooong time ago ;-;
Child labor still exists in China, unfortunately.
Of course China is richer than the US. Communism is very successful, I don't deny that. It has its good parts and bad parts, as said before. America's economy is a joke right now, it's obvious. But I'm not comparing China's economy to America's because I know that Communism has a more successful economic output on the country. As far as the way it treats its citizens and the country as a whole, I don't agree with.
But that's just my opinion.
At least America stopped child labor a loooong time ago ;-;
Child labor still exists in China, unfortunately.
Of course China is richer than the US. Communism is very successful, I don't deny that. It has its good parts and bad parts, as said before. America's economy is a joke right now, it's obvious. But I'm not comparing China's economy to America's because I know that Communism has a more successful economic output on the country. As far as the way it treats its citizens and the country as a whole, I don't agree with.
But that's just my opinion.
RE: Communism in China
I'm personally a socialist of the 3th way, I accept Marx' criticism on capitalism, and support the socialist idea of equal chances in every area, including financial, but am fully aware of the flaws of a complete communism.
kawaii_Mew, by definition, the government is the people, as long as the communistic regime is democratic (which, if I'm not mistaken, China is heading towards), it's the people telling you what to do (in theory, at least, democracy has its obvious flaws). Just because most communistic regimes have been dictatorships doesn't mean that both are synonymous. Most of the countries with a communist regime did not have democracy before the change (Russia as prime example here).
Now, the reason communism didn't overtake the rest of the world was probably because the aristocracy and bourgeoisie were too powerful. Communism would make their possessions part of the collective. The working conditions in Europe (and America as well) were downright terrible, so there were socialist protests, but the government and private armies took care of those.
Now, communism has its flaws, as it's easy for the government to become corrupt, and it's hard to make sure the system stays intact. Sure, these are some serious flaws, but they don't justify the hatred we see towards what is basically just a financial and political system, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously Stalin and Mao didn't help this, but I can't help thinking a lot of people, especially in America, got a pretty biased education.
Another major problem with communism is that it's pretty hard to compete with capitalist countries, as progress is a lot faster there (in general, non-commercial science would probably work just as well, if not better within a communist regime, depending on how it's handled). This is probably one of the main reasons why we don't have a lot of communist regimes anymore.
Communism isn't about control, it's about everything becoming public property, the immense control and genocide by Stalin was basically just to make sure the rules of this system weren't broken (which, IMO, is inevitable, as Stalin himself demonstrated by his own lifestyle).
Communism only truly works when everyone becomes selfless, which is usually against human nature (as the selfish are usually more successful, which is pretty sad), but capitalism has some major flaws as well, which is why I support the compromise.
I'm personally a socialist of the 3th way, I accept Marx' criticism on capitalism, and support the socialist idea of equal chances in every area, including financial, but am fully aware of the flaws of a complete communism.
kawaii_Mew, by definition, the government is the people, as long as the communistic regime is democratic (which, if I'm not mistaken, China is heading towards), it's the people telling you what to do (in theory, at least, democracy has its obvious flaws). Just because most communistic regimes have been dictatorships doesn't mean that both are synonymous. Most of the countries with a communist regime did not have democracy before the change (Russia as prime example here).
Now, the reason communism didn't overtake the rest of the world was probably because the aristocracy and bourgeoisie were too powerful. Communism would make their possessions part of the collective. The working conditions in Europe (and America as well) were downright terrible, so there were socialist protests, but the government and private armies took care of those.
Now, communism has its flaws, as it's easy for the government to become corrupt, and it's hard to make sure the system stays intact. Sure, these are some serious flaws, but they don't justify the hatred we see towards what is basically just a financial and political system, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously Stalin and Mao didn't help this, but I can't help thinking a lot of people, especially in America, got a pretty biased education.
Another major problem with communism is that it's pretty hard to compete with capitalist countries, as progress is a lot faster there (in general, non-commercial science would probably work just as well, if not better within a communist regime, depending on how it's handled). This is probably one of the main reasons why we don't have a lot of communist regimes anymore.
Fun fact, all their last names are "Stalin" as well, and all nicknamed "Big Brother".Galefail said:
Communism isn't about control, it's about everything becoming public property, the immense control and genocide by Stalin was basically just to make sure the rules of this system weren't broken (which, IMO, is inevitable, as Stalin himself demonstrated by his own lifestyle).
Communism only truly works when everyone becomes selfless, which is usually against human nature (as the selfish are usually more successful, which is pretty sad), but capitalism has some major flaws as well, which is why I support the compromise.
RE: Communism in China
I'm Indian, people are racist with me a lot of times.
And, no communism is not good. Why, pray, would I want to be instructed what to do and what not to do by my government ?
I'm Indian, people are racist with me a lot of times.
And, no communism is not good. Why, pray, would I want to be instructed what to do and what not to do by my government ?
RE: Communism in China
You obviously don't know what communism is, BTW ._.
True, we should all be allowed to stab people in the face, ain't no government tellin' me what to do.Omnigross_98 said:
You obviously don't know what communism is, BTW ._.
RE: Communism in China
If I'm not mistaken it isn't all about the government does say what and what not to do, it's also about producing what you can and take what you need.
But, I'm not really into this stuff... Now when thinking about I wish I spent more time studying on this when I was able to and still had history as a subject.
If I'm not mistaken it isn't all about the government does say what and what not to do, it's also about producing what you can and take what you need.
But, I'm not really into this stuff... Now when thinking about I wish I spent more time studying on this when I was able to and still had history as a subject.
RE: Communism in China
Well I know enough to join this discussion, but my knowledge of it is nothing compared to that of people like Heavenly Spoon (although it seems he knows everthing! :0).
The basic premise of life doesn't include producing what you can and take what you need, it's about surviving. And you don't need to produce to survive... :/
And btw, I join, I post what I know, people correct me and so I'll learn about it, and with that knowledge I can post my next post with more knowledge of the subject.
Well I know enough to join this discussion, but my knowledge of it is nothing compared to that of people like Heavenly Spoon (although it seems he knows everthing! :0).
The basic premise of life doesn't include producing what you can and take what you need, it's about surviving. And you don't need to produce to survive... :/
And btw, I join, I post what I know, people correct me and so I'll learn about it, and with that knowledge I can post my next post with more knowledge of the subject.