Darkrai / Hydreigon

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Supermod? Congrats! And thanks for these threads.
Techs: I think I like shaymin in this deck. People tend to try and pick off dieno and sableye, so I like the 1T set up 120-180 damage done by shaymin with dark trance and blends. Also doesn't leave you to losing all of your energies like mewtwo does. Just my personal preference.
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I'm tempted to say that Shaymin is more of a staple than a tech in this deck. Its just crazy good; it makes the deck so much more difficult to play against and allows insane comebacks. It also helps the Blastoise/Keldeo matchup a bit as it can KO them due to their grass weakness somewhat early in the game. The best tech in this deck imo is a 1 or 2 of Revive. In the Cities I went to, I won all but 1 or 2 of my games due to Revive and I lost a game or two because I couldn't get my Revive.
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

Shaymin is really great in this deck.

It pretty much abuses what this deck loves to do. Throw a hail mary up late in the game (combined with an N of course) and go for broke. Often times, the opponent can't draw out of it (or they can like in one of my matches today).

This is definitely a solid deck, but I think my metagame was just not the right one to try to make an impact with it (or maybe my list just blows Idk).

dmaster out.
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

Since were talking about techs, there is one right now that hasn't quite had the chance to shine yet this cities. Giratina EX. With Rayeels being nearly 100% reliant on Eelektrik and Landorus being overrun in cities, Rayeels has seen a drop in play so Giratina is a safer move. Sigilyph has recently become a very popular card and Giratina's Shred can rip right through Safeguard eviolite or not. Its second attack is also quite handy as it will one shot a non-eviolited Terrakion which can destroy Darkrais left and right at the cost of discarding 2 from your deck. Giratina has a high energy cost but with Hydreigon nearly anything can be splashable. I personally am not a fan of Shaymin EX but it has had success so, to each their own.
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I agree that shaymin is amazing in this deck, along with keldeo to get out of para locks, regardless if you use prism or not. Prism varients go lesson blend and more on prism and include keldeo for landorus EX and sometimes terrakion for darkrai EX. Sigiliph is good in here as a wall, especially against blastoise. Mewtwo is good to have the option to move all of your energy on to one and just take your last 2 prizes. Also 4 skyla is amazing for turn 2 hydriegon, searching out computer search T1 and then junk hunting for it, and searching out max potions and catchers late game.

Oh and fun fact: Glace tricked *almost* everyone at my league that shaymin EX was bad in hydriegon. Now they're running registeel...
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I haven't tried giratina out yet. If you can get 2 set up hydreigons, they can counter sigilyph too. Not their main purpose, but if you have an extra it works for both terrakion and sigilyph without discarding non energy cards. Also, I'm pretty sure giratina's second attack discards 3 cards. I just checked the scan, it's three cards, not two.
 
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You are correct with 3 cards. However 3 cards is very much worth the KO on Terrakion. That and you don't have to risk Hydreigon nor do you have to waste 2 attachments since your dark patch will likely be discarded by that point in the game.
 
RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I wasn't saying that giratina wasn't preferred, I just use hydreigon (only if I have an extra or have to) normally. And in my experience, if you are late enough in the game to not be able to dark patch, you probably have two energies to spare for a OHKO on terrakion. Sigilyph... Rather than use hydreigon you could just catcher around it.
 
This deck is certainly one of the more interesting, diverse, and powerful decks out there. It can run a variety of techs but only a few are truly good.
1. Shaymin EX- Already been discussed here, not to mention it swings the Keldeo matchup.
2. Sigilyph- With most builds of the deck already running Eviolite, this guy can be included as a legitimate tank. All Keldeo builds not running Pony 47 can KO it with Blastoise, but then you can just Dragonblast it. Then, they just lost 5 Energy AND their accelerator.
3. Mewtwo EX- obvious synergy with the deck, as well as being overly awesome anyway.
4. Keldeo EX- Great for countering Landorus, and Prism is okay in this deck too. Also gets you out of status and random annoying effects.
5. Giratina EX- Great counter to Sigilyph and one of the tankiest ones out there. Shredding to 2HKO'ing everything can work and possibly better than Night Spear because of the almost nonexistent Weakness.
6 Cresselia EX- I personally hate this guy but people seem to have success with this.
These weren't in order; if they were then they would all tie for first and Cresselia would be 2nd :p

Honoable mentions- Roserade DRX Ability- can actually work in here I've tried it. If you can make room, you can also play it with Devolution Spray which is better if you read it as: "Next Turn, search your deck for any card" and is Junk Huntable.
-Revive Like Dark Void said it is great in here sometimes XP.

Failures:
These are some cards that would seem good in this deck but are really not.
1. Virizion EPO- Can counter Keldeo but takes three Energy with a frail 100 HP and two have to be Blends. If an Eviolite is not equipped then a Mewtwo can just revenge with two Energy putting you in a less-than-desireable spot.
2. Registeel EX- Cannot have enough of an impact on a game and you beat Zeels anyway. It could help against RayEels but that is not popular enough to warrant playing this. Also, Squirtle's Ability blocks it.
3. Meloetta- Wastes a Blend and is super frail. Also, you can counter Sigilyph or Mewtwo easier with other Pokemon.
 
Here are the decks stats so far:
1st place - 9
2nd place - 8
3rd/4th place - 28
= 45 total Top 4's

This deck gets you to the Top 4 the majority of the time, however, why does everyone think that the deck can only get you to the Top 4 and not the winners circle more often? It's only won 17% of the tournaments it's made T4 in.
 
I'm not a huge fan of Shaymin EX. I rarely can pull off the Hail Mary play at the end of the game and I always seem to start with it. I also generally avoid letting my opponent take enough prizes to make it work. I also don't find the Blastoise matchup difficult, which limits Shaymin's use. If it works for you, go for it. I like Reshiram EX in this deck simply for its raw power. It also makes a very nice tank if it has Eviolite attached. It has a 50/50 chance of taking 30 damage while it does 150 damage to the Defending Pokemon. If your opponent has been previously damaged, Reshiram EX will most likely be knocking it out. I definitley think that Prism is a very good play. It opens up other attackers that can turn other matchups in your favor. Keldeo EX with two Prisms is OHKOing Landorus with no Eviolite, so as long as you keep it healthy you can easily sweep through a Landorus deck. Terrakion is also very good against other Darkrai decks. You can easily come in with a Retaliate out of nowhere and keep on taking down Darkrai EX with Land Crush. This deck is also very consistent if you play enough of your Dragon line, Candy, Skyla, and Computer Search.
 
Rummage said:
Here are the decks stats so far:
1st place - 9
2nd place - 8
3rd/4th place - 28
= 45 total Top 4's

This deck gets you to the Top 4 the majority of the time, however, why does everyone think that the deck can only get you to the Top 4 and not the winners circle more often? It's only won 17% of the tournaments it's made T4 in.
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A prism variant won my cities yesterday and placed 2nd. Its pretty strong still, but i think it can only be strong when teched out now. I dont know, i may be wrong but i believe teching is the only way at this point.
 
I had tried prisms in this deck, probably if I liked terrakion I would have tried harder at learning how to play with it. It is just a different play style having to be careful of what energies you move to what pokemon. It really opens up this deck to any other basic pokemon you might want to play in darkrai hydreigon, making keldeo a viable attacker, not just a free switch in this deck. Great idea! In my opinion anyway.
 
My favourite techs in this deck are:

Number 1: Sigi DRX

Number 2: Keldeo EX

Number 3: Terrakion NVI


[Note: This is the Prism version of the deck, which I much prefer to the other version, although I still love both versions.]
 
Has anyone else thought about Pokemon Center? Against things like Landorus or Klinklang with Groudon EX and Registeel EX. Landorus's early spread sucks. Pokemon Center can reduce the damage taken from that, making it less dangerous. Registeel's spread followed by Groudon's Giant Claw on a Darkrai EX is pretty painful. Pokemon Center almost completely negates the damage from both Landorus and Registeel. If an Eviolite is attached to the Pokemon sniped prior to being sniped, then the Pokemon you heal from can walk away undamaged. Now, you obviously wouldn't play it down against something that would benefit from it more than you, such as Eels. What do you guys think?
 
^You must also note that they will sue Pokemon Center to heal the damge Darkrai does to the bench, so your opponent will benefit from it more than you will late game.
 
I noted that if your opponent would benefit from it more than you, then you wouldn't play it down. I was questioning whether or not it would be of any use against something like Landorus. There aren't a whole lot of times when that damage makes a big difference against Landorus because you should be OHKOing or 2HKOing the Landorus the majority of the time with Keldeo EX or other attackers.
 
Except, against some decks you will want to use it early game, but they will benefit from it later. And then you will have no way of getting rid of it.
 
You really don't want to give your opponent the opportunity to use Pokémon Center when you're playing Darkrai.
 
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