Ruling Does it REALLY matter?

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George2FRESH

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This isn't really a rules type of question, I was just wondering..


So you know how some cards are reprinted in newer sets, does it really matter which one you're playing?

For example, I want to make a deck that's HP-on. And I have a Holon Mentor from DS. Would it still be legal to use the Mentor in the deck even though it's from DS, even though they make it in the DF series? (And let's just say for the sake of it that I don't have any DF Mentors).


Same thing with energies. Does it really matter what series you're playing your energies from? Let's say you made a HP-On deck but you like the way the energies look from Emerald. Would it be ok to use those?


My guess is that it depends on your opponent, but still not sure. Unless you have a really picky opponent that would want to check your cards. =P
 
No, it doesn't matter one bit. You can use any older card from any older set as long as there is a newer version of the card printed in any modified legal set.
Some cards need a reference card outside your deck though. Because their text is so much different from the newer version. These cards are for example Steven's Advice (HL version need the PK version outside your deck as reference) and Base Set Plus Power (Needs any DP set version as reference since it has major ruling and text changes like Steven's.)

Here is a list of all older set cards you can use in the current modified format. Remember to look if they need a reference. http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41415
 
George2FRESH said:
So you know how some cards are reprinted in newer sets, does it really matter which one you're playing?

For example, I want to make a deck that's HP-on. And I have a Holon Mentor from DS. Would it still be legal to use the Mentor in the deck even though it's from DS, even though they make it in the DF series? (And let's just say for the sake of it that I don't have any DF Mentors).
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As a general rule, no, it doesn't matter. You can play the old cards in a tournament deck just fine. Mentor from DS is allowed because Mentor was reprinted in DF, which makes it legal.

The only time it matters is if the card text has changed significantly -- for example, if the older version of the card received an errata, the new version will be printed with the errata text. You have to play with the errata text, even if you're using the older version. In a tournament, you'll have to provide a reference outside your deck (either the new card itself or a Card-Dex entry printout).

You can look at this document to see all the legal reprints. Those requiring references are shown in red.

George2FRESH said:
Same thing with energies. Does it really matter what series you're playing your energies from? Let's say you made a HP-On deck but you like the way the energies look from Emerald. Would it be ok to use those?
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Basic Energy cards are always Modified-legal, regardless of what set they are printed in. (Direct quote from PUI)
 
DRE is another one of the cards that the text has changed on as well. I have one of the older ones, and I know I need a spoiler text on it.
 
What happens if you don't have any of the recent cards? Say, for instance, if a player didn't have any Special Metal Energies other than the ones from the Neo sets, would that player not be allowed to use them, or is there some sort of alternate reference? Or would a judge be able to provide a reference?
 
Oh, neat. It even has illustrator credits. What happens if some particularly unscrupulous player uses a Card-Dex that he or she has tampered with to his or her advantage? Can they be cross-referenced with other people's Card-Dexes?
 
Ophie said:
What happens if some particularly unscrupulous player uses a Card-Dex that he or she has tampered with to his or her advantage? Can they be cross-referenced with other people's Card-Dexes?
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Modification of the Card-Dex to misrepresent official card text is cheating. It's an instant disqualification from a tournament, and more than likely subjects the offender to suspension or banning from Organized Play.
 
I take it that this only happens when the other player realizes something is wrong, however. I've never encountered a Card-Dex brought up in any tournament I've been in, but I wouldn't doubt that people have done this in the past without the opponents realizing that the Card-Dex was tampered with. At least to a certain point.

Is it confidential information as to the procedure when someone reports a suspicious Card-Dex? I would believe it so, as knowledge of how Card-Dexes are verified for accuracy should inevitably lead to ways of people to circumvent this (such as, if a Judge must come over and cross-reference his/her own Card-Dex with that of the offender, having a duplicate accurate Card-Dex hidden away, say, in a backpack underneath the table to be used only for when the Judge comes).

I must seem pretty suspicious myself for asking so much about cheat prevention.
 
Most game-changing errata (such as that of Unown G) quickly becomes common knowledge, and so errata such as that and of other important cards at the time isn't really able to be cheated because just about every person knows how it should be, and anyone trying to pull a fast one is gonna get caught sometime during the tournament, especially if he makes top cut.

Judges are knowledgeable to the most recent errata for cards and should know how all cards work. If you ever come across a player using the Card-Dex as a reference, you can always call a judge over immediately to verify that the copy is legitimate without having to worry in the middle of the game if you're getting screwed.
 
I see. So if I miss somebody who's cheating, that person's nearly certainly going to get caught later on by somebody else who plays him/her. I actually play the TCG mostly "from the outside," meaning I don't actually pay too much attention to what develops, which is why I'd probably miss them. (I should learn the erratas, in case I find myself using cards that concern them.)

Has there ever been an attempt to hack Wizards of the Coast or The Pokémon Company itself to modify the official Card-Dex? That is, is the official site secure? If it's that difficult to do so from the outside, then surely somebody must have tried breaking the game from the inside. I've heard horror stories of what hackers can do, one of whom hacks the Pizza Hut database on a regular basis to generate himself printable (and obviously usable and technically legal) coupons for free pizza.
 
ahahaha. I severely doubt that would ever happen, and if it did it wouldn't cause too big of a commotion because not too many people use those as references in tournies. I've never seen it being used that way.

Somebody would have the error pointed out eventually and they'd fix it. Probably would be relatively big news in the PTCG community so you'd read about it on sites like Pokebeach. This bigger thing to worry about is someone printing a fake reference on their own, that's very possible although I doubt very likely. A bit easier than printing fake cards though, so if you really want to be paranoid about it, there's always that to consider.
 
Ok but would cards from the World Champions set be allowed in a deck if it was reprinted in the newer sets, if you have a card dex or something if the errata was changed? And as long as you're using sleeves to block the back of the card? Let's say, for rare candy?
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Basic Energy cards are always Modified-legal, regardless of what set they are printed in. (Direct quote from PUI)
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Not world deck energy.
 
George2FRESH said:
Ok but would cards from the World Champions set be allowed in a deck if it was reprinted in the newer sets, if you have a card dex or something if the errata was changed? And as long as you're using sleeves to block the back of the card? Let's say, for rare candy?
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No. A card must have the standard PUI Poke-Ball back or the standard Japanese back to be tournament-legal. Worlds decks are specifically labeled "not tournament legal" anyway, but the promo card back just seals the deal.

You can't even use the Basic Energy from a Worlds deck.

Papi/Manny said:
Chairman Kaga said:
Basic Energy cards are always Modified-legal, regardless of what set they are printed in. (Direct quote from PUI)
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Not world deck energy.
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You're so pedantic. :p
 
I guess combining those concepts together, could I use cards from the World Champions decks as references? As an example, if I only have French-language Switch in my deck, could I use an English-language World Champions Switch card to show what it really says?
 
^Why would you need it as an external reference? I think everybody knows what a basic energy does....lmao
 
Papi/Manny said:
^Why would you need it as an external reference? I think everybody knows what a basic energy does....lmao
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As I learned earlier, it's best to read the entire thread before posting :)
 
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