Does Tyram(Reshiram/Typhlosion) need Ninetales?

Is Ninetales needed in TyRam(or Reshiboar, whatever you prefer)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 82.1%

  • No

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Total voters
    28
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So I just played a match with someone on Redshark(Umbreon20), and I noticed he/she didn't run Ninetales. I asked them after the match why they didn't run Ninetales, and they said it was because Ninetales was a waste of space/not worth it, and would be hard to get out after Catcher comes. So I want a bunch of opinions on this. Is Ninetales needed, and why/Wynaut? :p
 
We can argue against pretty much every bench-sitter "when Catcher comes out'. That's a very easy thing to do actually.
The problem is is that the same can be said for both Typhlosion and Emboar. Those are also bench-sitters, and will also get worse when Catcher comes out. Pretty much every card that doesn't have 130 HP and 0 retreat will be worse when Catcher comes out. Let's keep it at that.
As of now, I wouldn't even try to play the TyRam list without Ninetales. It's one of the fastest and strongest decks because of him/her(?). It won't get that much worse with the next set, either. Reshiram is still a solid 130 HP guy that they need to deal with, or they WILL feel pain.
 
Best drawing machine and one of the best energy discarders... so why not? Catcher can only affect at T1-T2 really.
 
No real discussion, Ninetales is 100% required. It gives fire the advantage over other types single-handedly. Its draw power is amazingly good.
 
Yes, Tyram needs Ninetales; hands down. It is one of the best Pokemon drawers in our current format, along with Magnezone. In Tyram, Ninetales creates amazing synergy in the deck. Discard a fire energy and draw cards using Ninetales, and then grab that discarded energy from the discard pile and attach it to Reshiram using Typholosion. Due to this, Ninetales makes Tyram extremely consistent to the point that the deck is perhaps the most consistent deck out there right now, so a 2-2 Ninetales is a staple in the deck.
 
Why wouldn't you take the chance to discard the fire energy to draw 3 cards? It's excellent, particularly in a deck with great recovery, either through Trainers or Typhlosion.
 
The one Retreat cost is not as bad as other Bench sitters and with Typhlosion, it can easily remedy a Reversal/Catcher making it brought up to the Active position. Once set up, 90 HP is pretty hefty and doesn't die that easily. I don't see why you wouldn't include it. It's an essential part to the engine that makes Typhlosion work with Reshiram.

dmaster out.
 
In theory, it's excellent, and there's no reason not to play it. But my friend made top 64 at nats without ninetales. He just played amazing amounts of consistency cards. I asked him why he didn't play it and he said, "Why waste resources getting a ninetales when you could use those to get a typhlosion, when that's what you really need?"
 
And how did he get energy in the discard? That's another advantage of ninetales, allowing you to get energy for typhlosion to use while being the best draw pokemon in the game.
 
^ Sage's Training for the win :)

actually you are simply using 4 of them instead of those 4 slots for ninetales
 
tc19930815 said:
^ Sage's Training for the win :)

actually you are simply using 4 of them instead of those 4 slots for ninetales
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That may work, but you will be using a supporter card where as ninetales isnt.
 
Sage's Training gives you two cards and discards three while Ninetales discards one and gives you three. Ninetales is searchable, Sage's Training is not. You can use more than four roast reveals, and you can only use four Sage's Training. You can play a supporter and use Ninetales, with Sage's you cannot. Ninetales is guaranteed to discard an energy, and only an enegy. Sage's is not.

Sage's Training definitely does NOT replace Ninetales.
 
crm103top08 said:
In theory, it's excellent, and there's no reason not to play it. But my friend made top 64 at nats without ninetales. He just played amazing amounts of consistency cards. I asked him why he didn't play it and he said, "Why waste resources getting a ninetales when you could use those to get a typhlosion, when that's what you really need?"
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Why not use both Ninetales and Sage's Training (and obviously those consistency cards in tandem)? Seems good to me. It's only a Stage 1, easily searchable. With a heavy Typhlosion line (I'm talking 3-2-3 at the least and possibly even in 4-2-4 variations), it's not as hard to set up Typhlosion. I'm not bashing his way of thinking and he obviously did very well in the Tournament, but that could also be credited to luck and doesn't make that the end all be all way to play this kind of deck.

dmaster out.
 
I think that Roast Reveal Ninetails is good. But I have the Flame Acceleration Ninetails in Reshi deck. Sure it takes a turn to get 3 energy attached to Reshi. Which is 4 energies a turn without Emboar #20. But that is 2 turns of Blue Flare.I think depnding on your Tyram playing style Ninetails is then he is a staple. I like to play fast so I have the Flame Acceleration in mine. Dump some Fire in my discard pile. Then power up Reshi.
 
The Flame Acceleration one is pretty bad, I've used it and it really isn't good. You have to switch Reshiram, send in Ninetales, and switch that. That requires as much energy as it gives or the inclusion of switch, making the deck much clunkier. Also, with 1 Typhlosion you can fire off Blue Flare every turn as long as you can get a fire in the hand, and with 2 typhlosion you can fire off a blue flare every turn no matter what. Also, both Nintales only have 90 HP, which will often give the opponent a prize if they are put in the active spot.
 
Why do people seem to forget that you don't have to use these cards? Its completely optional. You see you are getting to the low 20s of cards in your deck and you simply don't use ny more sage's/roast reveals/junipers. Its not a problem.
 
Dark Void said:
The Flame Acceleration one is pretty bad, I've used it and it really isn't good. You have to switch Reshiram, send in Ninetales, and switch that. That requires as much energy as it gives or the inclusion of switch, making the deck much clunkier. Also, with 1 Typhlosion you can fire off Blue Flare every turn as long as you can get a fire in the hand, and with 2 typhlosion you can fire off a blue flare every turn no matter what. Also, both Nintales only have 90 HP, which will often give the opponent a prize if they are put in the active spot.
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Your right. You can use 2 of there abilties allowing you to use a blue flare every turn. This really elimates the use of him. I should up my count to of them to 3-2-3 instead of
2-2-2.
 
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