Espeon tech making Viniluxe useless

With what your saying Vinilluxe is done.

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I recently look at the dark rush scans and noticed espeon's ability
Espeon – Psychic – HP90
Stage 1 – Evolves from Eevee

Ability: Solar Miracle
As long as this Pokemon is in play, prevent all effects of your opponent’s Pokemon’s attacks done to any of your Pokemon with Energy attached to them.

[P][C][C] Psychic Report: 60 damage. Look at your opponent’s hand.

Weakness: Psychic (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1

so i was thinking anyone who used this would break viniluxe. That is my thought since Viniluxe's good attack only uses the effect.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

Alright, first off, Vanilluxe is hardly competitive as it is. This being said, are people really going to bother playing an Espeon tech in every deck that they build? I don't really think so to be honest with you, keep in mind that Espeon is most likely going to eat up 4 decks slots if you want to play it effectively. Espeon will probably cut the small amount of people playing Vanilluxe, but I doubt it will end the deck all in all. Some people will still play it to catch others off guard. Espeon will probably "kill" Vanilluxe, but I feel that it was going to die on its own after Cities anyways. I think that Cobalion is the card that should really be afraid of Espeon.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

Im just saying I saw a Viniluxe played at my cities and things could have gone better faster without the parilyzing me almost every turn. Plus it will be good against Chandelure and other stuff.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

Nope, chandelure is an ability. Espeon only blocks attacks. Most chandelure builds try to "attack" via tropical beach anyway. But, yeah, what little play VVV has seen will be evaporated with the fact that espeon just exists.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

pokemonjoe said:
Nope, chandelure is an ability. Espeon only blocks attacks. Most chandelure builds try to "attack" via tropical beach anyway
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sorry i meant the burn confusion
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

Espeon is pointless against Chandelure... Chandelure doesn't use its attack, and Espeon does nothing against Abilities. Like I said though, Espeon will be useful against cards like Beartic and Cobalion, the ability to shut down decks like Lilligant and Vanilluxe is just a plus. Espeon will see small amounts of play in decks with a lot of tech room and use an attacker with a high retreat cost.

Edit: Ninja'd twice, that seems to happen to me a bit too much.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

It would have been faster is he wasn't locking you...you don't say? That's the whole point of Vanilluxe, and I don't see how this relates to Espeon killing it. Also, many Chandelure decks don't even attack, and if they do they aren't that dependent on attacking. Espeon only blocks attack effects, not abilities. I just don't see Espeon seeing play just for Cobalion-the only deck with a real "autoloss" to Cobalion are Kyurem and Vanilluxe decks, but Cobalion OHKOs them so Espeon doesn't help those decks much. I just don't think Espeon is ever going to be worth it over a few consistency cards or better techs.
 
RE: Vinilluxe is done

Vulpix Yolk said:
Espeon is pointless against Chandelure... Chandelure doesn't use its attack, and Espeon does nothing against Abilities. Like I said though, Espeon will be useful against cards like Beartic and Cobalion, the ability to shut down decks like Lilligant and Vanilluxe is just a plus.

Edit: Ninja'd twice, that seems to happen to me a bit too much.
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I know that people who use Chandelure without the attack is most likely better that those who do use it, Im just saying ive seen a lot of use with the attack.
 
Pretty much every game Chandelure wins is because of its attack. I lost in top eight of a cities because of the attack. A friend of mine took four prizes in two turns and proceeded to win the game, just because of the attack.

The problem with Espeon to counter it is that they can just snipe the Espeon off. The card certainly has uses against a lot of other decks, though.

Vanilluxe isn't competitive enough to run a tech just to beat it. People could run Unown Cure right now. But they don't, because Vanilluxe is so bad. Espeon might be good because it has so many uses outside of that one matchup.
 
Anyone noticed that it doesn't say prevent all attacks (excluding damage) from your opponent's attacks? SO UR POKEMON ARE INVINCIBLE QUICK GET OUT DURANT. Probably just something that was forgotten during translation.

Anyways, everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's really not worth running it just to counter VVV, and Unown Cure can do just as good as this if you're really having a problem with it. It's really not worth any slots in any deck that's not already running Eevee which is 99.99999% of decks.
 
I don't see Espeon getting any play, really– aside from its Ability, it's pretty useless. Maybe if we get some good Eeveelutions, Espeon could be a 1-of tech for some matchups, but otherwise, it just doesn't seem worth the space. Perhaps if Cobalion gets too powerful or something, but still, 4 spots to run it effectively (plus Catcher on a rampage) isn't fun.
 
It can still be a useful tech for other deck I'm not just saying Chandelure.
 
I wasn't talking about chandelure. I was refferring to espeon. Scizorlicous said that aside from its ability, it will be useless.
 
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