Ruling Gaia Crush Question

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DNA

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All right, hypothetical scenario time.

My opponent has a Restored Gengar as his Active Pokemon and he's got a Snowpoint Temple in play to boot. So he's got 130 HP.

I, on the other hand, have a Belted Steelix as my Active and at full power. I Gaia Crush his Gengar for 120 damage, and opt to destroy his Snowpoint Temple.

So the question is: does my opponent get to flip for Fainting Spell, or not?
 
Hey DNA.

Im 90% sure that you DO NOT get to flip for Fainting Spell.
The answer seems to be in the Power itself. It states that if gengar is ko'd by damage from an attack.

The 120 from Steelix Prime does not KO gengar. The effect of the attack does and such just like Poison or Burn, the effect would not apply.

~Shadow.
 
I'm gonna have to disagree.

The discarding of the stadium is an effect of Gaia Crush. The stadium is out of play before the attack phase is over. Since Gengar then would be Knocked Out due to receiving damage, the player could opt to use Fainting Spell in that scenario.

It's like attacking something with 10 hp left with a move that does 30 and burn. They don't just die after the 10 hp; they take 30 damage, get burned, and then they are checked for KO. They die while they're burned.

jm2c
 
Unless I am mistaken, damage is done before the effect of an attack is carried out. Since Gengar would not be knocked out as a result of damage from an attack, it would not get to flip. It would be knocked out as a result of having more damage on it than HP, not as the result of the attack.~Mark
 
Yes, damage is done before effects are done, but KOs aren't checked for until the attack phase is over.
 
^Yeah, but that doesnt change what DE and I said.

Before the attack, Gengar has 130 HP.
Steelix attacks for 120 damage BEFORE any other effects are applied.
(Damage applies first before any other effect applies, excluding weakness/resistance ect)
In this particular case, there is nothing that modifies the damage being done by steelix so it remains at 120.
Gengar loses 120 HP from its 130 leaving it with 10.
The discarding effect of Gaia Crush is optional so it does not affect the damage done by steelix.
You chose to use the effect and discard the statium, thus Gengar losses its HP bonus and is KO'd immidiately.

Argue it how you will, but I dont see how that could possibley be because of "damage".
Its just like Poison and Burn. The normal damage from the attack did not KO them, but if the Poison or Burn does, that does not activate Fainting Spell.

~Shadow.
 
I would have to agree with PMJ because the attack phase would end, with Steelix doing 120 damage to Gengar. After all effects of attacks are over, then you check for ko's. I believe that you would flip. It's not like burn or poison, because those would happen in between turns.
 
The thing is Gengar is not being KO'd as a direct result of the attack. It is being KO'd for having more damage on it than its HP.~Mark
 
Yes it is? You attack and after the attack ends it has more damage than HP. How is that different from any other attack? Is there any way we can get an official ruling on this?
 
Gengar said:
If Gengar would be knocked out by damage from an attack
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You are doing the damage before you apply any effects, therefore, null and void.~Mark
 
Apparently I'm going to need an official answer on this, seeing as there is no consensus being made.
 
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