Help my YuGiOh Deck-MILLING

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CFOURCOLTSFAN

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Okay because I'm bored and not the first one to do it here's my deck from last year that nearly qualified me for Nationals(I changed it around a bit and not sure if it's current)
Regular Deck
Monsters
3 Dark Jeroid
2 Drillago
2 Newdoria
1 Spirit Reaper
1 Bowganin
1 Helpoemer
1 Lava Golem
1 Mystic Tomato
1 Revival Jam

Spell
1 Scapegoat
1 Book of Moon
1 Dark Core
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Mystik Wok
1 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Monster Reborn
1 Riryoku
1 Swords of Revealing Light

Traps
1 Waboku
1 Ultimate Offering
1 Rope of Life
1 Nightmare Wheel
1 Magic Cylinder
1 Judgement of Anubis
1 Hidden Soldiers
1 Dust Tornado
1 Coffin Seller


Then at that tourney I forgot my sidedeck so made this random side deck that believe it or not won me 3 matches.
Side Deck
Monsters
2 Dark Magician
2 Dark Magician Girl
1 Dark Magician Knight
1 Insect Queen

Traps
1 Solemn Judgement
1 Raigeki Break
1 Hidden Soldiers
1 DNA Surgery

Spells
1 Axe of Despair
1 Brain Control
1 Ectoplasmer
1 Insect Barrier
1 Clock Tower Prison


Now here's the sidedeck I wanted to use
Monsters
2 Melchid the Four-Face Beast
1 Magician of Faith
1 Masked Beast Des Guardius
1 The End of Anubis(to help Helpoemer)

Spells
1 Axe of Despair
1 Brain Control
1 Ectoplasmer
1 Lightning Vortex
1 Mask of Brutatilty
1 Mask of Dispel
1 The Mask of Remnants

Traps
1 Raigeki Break
1 Solemn Judgement
1 Zoma the Spirit

Yes I know it looks bad but in a Shonen Jump side event they had a 13-under qualifier and I came in 4th, the top 2 I believe got invites to Nats, it was really fun and I shocked a lot of people with this deck. So help is neccessary as I might try a Shonen Jump tourney this year.
Also if you have any of the cards I might need for this deck please respond in my trade thread.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Regular Deck
Monsters
3 Dark Jeroid
2 Drillago
2 Newdoria
2 Spirit Reaper
1 Bowganin
1 Cyber Jar
1 Helpoemer
1 Lava Golem
1 Mystic Tomato
1 Revival Jam

Spell
2 Scapegoat - Limited to 1
1 Book of Moon
1 Change of Heart - Banned
1 Dark Core
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Mystik Wok
1 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Painful Choice
1 Pot of Greed
1 Premature Burial(I think it's banned now) - All 3 are banned
1 Riryoku
1 Snatch Steal - Banned
1 Swords of Revealing Light

Traps
1 Waboku
1 Ultimate Offering
1 Rope of Life
1 Nightmare Wheel
1 Magic Cylinder
1 Judgement of Anubis
1 Hidden Soldiers
1 Dust Tornado
1 Coffin Seller
1 Call of the Haunted - Banned
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It's bad. A 13-under qualifier proves nothing.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Yeah, I know my list was better last year but I lost some of the cards ;(
Do you have any help for it?
I now have 7 open spots too.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

You're kidding me right?
So they ban premature and bring back MR? That doesn't make sense to me :/
So I'll add that in place of premature. Anything else?(I'd like to use this deck like one more time), also is the meta still Synchro?
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
You're kidding me right?
So they ban premature and bring back MR? That doesn't make sense to me :/
So I'll add that in place of premature. Anything else?(I'd like to use this deck like one more time), also is the meta still Synchro?
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I'm not. Premature and Call are easy to manipulate, they are more broken.

Spirit Reaper's Limited, forgot to mention that. Also, Cyber Jar's been banned for a LONG time.

EDIT: The meta decks are Rescue Cat Synchro, Blackwings, Lightsworns, and Gladiator Beasts in that order.

EDIT2: Let's star by adding more copies of the non-limited stuff in the deck.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

I always preferred MR,yeah I didn't use Cyber Jar at the tourney, I heard someone say there was a rumor that they might bring it back so I posted it. Also I'd like a Marik deck that might be able to beat at least 2 of those decks(the big thing at the Tourney I was in was Synchro but not rescue cat,also a lot of Dragon decks(those were easy to beat ;)
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Dude, forcing a strategy around a particular character... It just doesn't work too well unless you know what you're doing! >.> Even then, characters like Marik don't work.

I can help you make it the best possible while following this theme, but you're best off following a strategy.

However, as I said, let's start by seeing if you have anything that you thought was banned that could work. The current banlist consists of:

Banlist said:
Forbidden Cards

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CONFISCATION
CYBER JAR
CYBER-STEIN
DARK HOLE
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
DELINQUENT DUO
DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER
DIMENSION FUSION
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
GRACEFUL CHARITY
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
LAST WILL
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
PREMATURE BURIAL
RAIGEKI
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL
TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
VICTORY DRAGON
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

II. Limited Cards

ADVANCED RITUAL ART
BRAIN CONTROL
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARY
CARD DESTRUCTION
CARD OF SAFE RETURN
CARD TROOPER
CEASEFIRE
CHAOS SORCERER
CRUSH CARD VIRUS
CYBER DRAGON
D.D. WARRIOR LADY
DANDYLION
DARK ARMED DRAGON
ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS
EMERGENCY TELEPORT
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FISSURE
FUTURE FUSION
GIANT TRUNADE
GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI
GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS
GOYO GUARDIAN
GRAVITY BIND
HEAVY STORM
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
MAGIC CYLINDER
MARSHMALLON
MEGAMORPH
MEZUKI
MIRROR FORCE
MONSTER REBORN
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE
NIGHT ASSAILANT
OJAMA TRIO
OVERLOAD FUSION
PLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIE
REASONING
REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY
RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SMASHING GROUND
SNIPE HUNTER
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TRAP DUSTSHOOT
TREEBORN FROG
UNITED WE STAND
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

III. Semi-Limited Cards
You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Extra Deck & Side Deck combined.

ALLURE OF DARKNESS
CHAIN STRIKE
DESTINY DRAW
DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS
GOBLIN ZOMBIE
GOLD SARCOPHAGUS
GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST
FOOLISH BURIAL
JUDGMENT DRAGON
MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION
MASK OF DARKNESS
MIND CRUSH
NECROFACE
RAIZA THE STORM MONARCH
RESCUE CAT
ULTIMATE OFFERING
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Look through it, please. It will be changed in September, but whatever. It's never TOO much.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Okay, thanks. Also here's the strategy I want it to be:Mostly a disruption based deck.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Okay, thanks. Also here's the strategy I want it to be:Mostly a disruption based deck.
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For disruption, there are several paths you can follow, some examples are:

RFG Mill
Hand Disruption

etc, etc. I'd recommend that you follow one of those 2, while maintaining field control. Would you like me to throw together an example decklist?
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

I think I like the RFG Mill, although pretty much whichever one costs less and has good matchups against those top tier decks you mentioned.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
I think I like the RFG Mill, although pretty much whichever one costs less and has good matchups against those top tier decks you mentioned.
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To be quite honest, they'll both do well against the meta in one aspect:

Macro Mill: Lightsworns get owned. Also, most decks cannot access their cards after they're RFG'd. This focuses around Macro Cosmos and a few similar cards. However, Trap Eater is commonly sided, causing issues for it.

Hand Disruption: It's fine if you're not facing Infernity or Dark World. However, they'll easily come back if you can't keep their hand empty, as they'll just own you with drawpower, obliterating you on their turn.

Your choice, still want Macro Mill?
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Yoiks, this game seems to have had a power creep lately.....
I'm not sure but I'm as a player am better at Milling decks(I did play needle worm a little bit) so I think I'll try Macro Mill.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Yoiks, this game seems to have had a power creep lately.....
I'm not sure but I'm as a player am better at Milling decks(I did play needle worm a little bit) so I think I'll try Macro Mill.
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OK.

Cards like Morphing Jar #2, Morphing Jar, Needle Worm, Gravekeeper's Servant, and Iron Chain Dragon are what I recommend for milling.

For RFPing everything, I recommend Dimensional Fissure, Macro Cosmos, and Dimensional Prison.

I also recommend cards like Book of Eclipse that force your opponent to draw and allow the reuse of the FLIP effect monsters.

You also need at least one card that can negate. Common choices are Dark Bribe and Solemn Judgment. Dark Bribe works here, and will be released in a Started Deck soon (provided they don't remove it).

All of these cards need to be run at the maximum legal amount.

Try to build one yourself first.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Do you think Negate Attack would still work as a Negate Card?
Also Book of the Moon I think would be good too. I'll start the list tonight.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Do you think Negate Attack would still work as a Negate Card?
Also Book of the Moon I think would be good too. I'll start the list tonight.
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Not only is Negate Attack terrible by today's standards, but I meant stuff that can negate opposing spells and traps. (Negate Attack is outclassed by Threatening Roar, Mirror Force, Waboku, and even Thunder of Ruler. All of these are very cheap aside from Mirror Force).

Yes to Book of Moon. I Thought it was too obvious to bother mentioning.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

Ah, right Mirror Force is back, I actually have one of those, okay that's what I thought too just wanted to make sure the power creep hadn't killed that card off either. Okay I'll be working on the list.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Ah, right Mirror Force is back, I actually have one of those, okay that's what I thought too just wanted to make sure the power creep hadn't killed that card off either. Okay I'll be working on the list.
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It was always just Limited. -__-

I suggest you take a look at the banlist I posted earlier. Mirror Force and Torrential Tribute are needed to try and kill off swarm decks (such as the deck i run, which OTKs if left unaddtended).

I'm waiting patiently for the list. I'm just here to help you end up with a good one at the end.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

burnpsy said:
CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Ah, right Mirror Force is back, I actually have one of those, okay that's what I thought too just wanted to make sure the power creep hadn't killed that card off either. Okay I'll be working on the list.
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It was always just Limited. -__-

I suggest you take a look at the banlist I posted earlier. Mirror Force and Torrential Tribute are needed to try and kill off swarm decks (such as the deck I run, which OTKs if left unaddtended).

I'm waiting patiently for the list. I'm just here to help you end up with a good one at the end.
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Okay I have a list my main deck is Iron Chain then I tried to make my sidedeck have other milling decks wrapped in them. I hope this isn't too bad.

Deck 40
Monsters(11)
2 Iron Chain Snake
2 Morphing Jar(I didn't see him on limited)
3 Needle Worm(BCIF)
1 Destiny Hero Defender
1 Sangan
2 Chainsaw Insect

Spells(14)
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Swords of Revealing Light
1 Card Destruction
2 Gravekeeper's Sevant
2 Book of the Moon
2 Book of the Eclipse
1 Monster Reborn
1 Brain Control
2 Macro Cosmos
1 Swords of Revealing Light


Traps(12)
3 Dark Bribe
1 Magic Cylinder
1 Mirror Force
1 Assault on GHQ
2 Greed
1 Torrential Tribute
3 Gift of Greed

Side Deck(0)
Extra Deck(3)
3 Iron Chain Dragon

I have 3 extra spots in Main deck now.




IDK if this is any good but I hope it is somewhat okay. LMK.
 
RE: Help my YuGiOh Deck(Marik Character)

CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
burnpsy said:
CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Ah, right Mirror Force is back, I actually have one of those, okay that's what I thought too just wanted to make sure the power creep hadn't killed that card off either. Okay I'll be working on the list.
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It was always just Limited. -__-

I suggest you take a look at the banlist I posted earlier. Mirror Force and Torrential Tribute are needed to try and kill off swarm decks (such as the deck I run, which OTKs if left unaddtended).

I'm waiting patiently for the list. I'm just here to help you end up with a good one at the end.
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Okay I have a list my main deck is Iron Chain then I tried to make my sidedeck have other milling decks wrapped in them. I hope this isn't too bad.

Deck 40
Monsters(19)
2 Iron Chain Blaster
3 Iron Chain Coil
3 Iron Chain Dragon
2 Iron Chain Repairman
2 Iron Chain Snake
2 Morphing Jar(I didn't see him on limited)
3 Needle Worm(BCIF)
1 Destiny Hero Defender
1 Sangan

Spells(17)
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Swords of Revealing Light
1 Card Destruction
1 Serial Spell
2 Gravekeeper's Sevant
2 Book of the Moon
2 Book of the Eclipse
2 Poison Chain
1 Monster Reborn
2 Virus Cannon
1 Brain Control
1 Crush Card Virus

Traps(4)
1 Dark Bribe
1 Magic Cylinder
1 Mirror Force
1 Assault on GHQ

Side Deck(15)
2 Dark Bribe
2 Greed
2 Macro Cosmos
1 Torrential Tribute
3 The Gift of Greed
1 Swords of Revealing Light
1 Brain Control - LIMITED!!
2 Chainsaw Insect
1 Helios the Primordial

IDK if this is any good but I hope it is somewhat okay. LMK.
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Discovered Iron Chain huh? Yes, they're an archetype of mill. A decent one anyways...

Since you've chosen an archetype, I should point something out to you about mill. One teaching of a mill-based duelist was to treat the deck as life points, and ignore your opponent's actual LP count. So they have 40 LP, not 8000. The reason that I'm saying this? Iron Chains are a bad mix of mill and burn damage. That said, it's more burn than mill. The only mill cards are Snake and Poison Chain. It would be much faster to go the way I told you, an archetype does not exist that mills well, that's why a deck simply focused around mill cards works best here.

Have you heard of the Extra Deck? It replaced the Fusion deck, and Synchro Monsters go there, as well as fusions (this resulted in a cap of 15 on it). Therefore, Iron Chain Dragon doesn't count towards the 40 cards.

I should also note that Crush Card Virus is a $50 card.

You don't seem to get the point of a side deck. The side deck is used to stop certain meta decks, or a commonly sided weakness to yours. Stuff like Prohibition, Mirror of Oaths, Shadow Imprisoning Mirror, Light Imprisoning Mirror, G.B. Hunter, etc.

Bolded cards should be removed. Move everything from the Side Deck that was not bolded into the Main Deck. We'll continue from there when you do that or something similar.

Seriously, you had too much burn, you need more mill focus.
 
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