Here's something that warrants some intelligent discussion: Star Wars Episode VII coming in 2015.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/disney-buys-lucasfilm-star-wars-7_n_2045632.html#slide=1703715

That link is where I read the story, I suggest everyone reads it BEFORE commenting, so we can actually just discuss here.

So, as the story reports, Disney bought Lucasfilm, and Episode VII is coming in 2015. What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I've gotta say, I'm not sure how I feel about this, for a number of reasons:

1) Primarily, George Lucas is gone. Any "true" fan has to agree that the more recent endeavors he's had in the universe have been "questionable" (to put it appropriately), including, but not limited to, the prequel trilogy (these are not the point of this article, though I will go on record and say that as long time fan who's thoroughly enjoyed much of the extended universe and the original trilogy, I absolutely despise these, and still do). This is reason to be excited, as it allows someone knew to take a crack at this genre, and that choice will make or break that director they choose. Who I'd prefer, I don't know exactly (I'd have to do a lot of research to pick my choice, but that's not the point), though I will say that whoever is chosen should be someone with at least a bit of experience dealing with some sort of sci-fi element, at the least.

2) The House of Mouse is in charge now, and this is also something to be happy about (oddly enough). This draws parallels to when they acquired Marvel. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE was worried that these superheroes would be milked dry, but after Phase One has recently concluded with the blockbuster Avengers (eat it, TDKR), we can all rest at ease, knowing that Phase Two is going to be even better, and that Marvel is definitely in solid, capable hands. If there's one thing Disney can do, it's make a long-term plan and stick with it.

A quote from their website, which may shed further hope:

"It makes sense, not just because of our brand compatibility and previous success together, but because Disney respects and understands – better than just about anyone else – the importance of iconic characters and what it takes to protect and leverage them effectively to drive growth and create value." - This is important, because this is definitely true. I can't think of any other company who would possibly even know what to do with a franchise like this, and Marvel is the exact example to look at here.

3) Whatever they do cannot, in any way, be worse than Episodes I, II or III. It is not possible to make Star Wars movies that are worse than those. Episode I's script was a single draft, made by Lucas. Most movies go through tens, if not hundreds of iterations of a script before proceeding further. Episode I had a single, and final iteration. These movies are a disgusting stain on the Star Wars franchise, and if anyone ever plans to marathon these movies, what them in Machete order (Episodes IV, V, II, III then VI. If you want explanation for why, just PM me), so that you don't even have to deal with Episode I.

4) Here's my biggest concern: The Content. What will these new movies be about? For a short explanation of how I feel, let's say this. The movies take place after Episode VI, and they become novelizations of any of the numerous story threads created in the extended fiction. Do I want these new Star Wars movies to simply be novelizations? No, though I have a feeling they will be. Something inside me is bothered by the idea of a property like Star Wars getting a new movie that is simply an adaptation of something that has come before it. I love the extended fiction, and have read my fair share of books (guilty of browsing Wookiepedia for hours at a time), and so I feel that what's already been covered should remain as such, in book form.

Would these movies cover something as horrendous as the Yuuzhan Vong (365 trillion sentient creatures in the galaxy killed after they came/went)? Many take issue with this part of the canon, and to see their adaptation into film would be, in my opinion, a mistake. I don't feel it is possible to accurately portray a menace as genocidal as the Vong without the movie being an R rated film, which would obviously not fit into any sort of Star Wars film at all. There must be death in a film if they are involved, and there must be a lot of it, horror, gore and blood intact and present.

Let's say, instead, that the movies focused on a more "lighthearted" area of fiction, primarily involving something like the Rebellion's continued quest to defeat the Empire, and eventually gain control of the galaxy. Well, the plague that is released on Coruscant by the Empire before the Rebellion gains control of it is a pivotal moment, as it immediately causes "troubled relations" between the humans of the galaxy and the alien races (a cure is released almost immediately that cures humans, but the cure for aliens comes much later, damaging moral etc etc). Furthermore, there is still plenty of important moments involving the reunification of the galaxy under a more peaceful empire and the ushering of the New Republic.

Another thing. The Jedi Order is reestablished by Luke Skywalker. Yeah, he's an important guy. And he was played by Mark Hamill. Star Trek recently faced this same problem: who is qualified enough to play someone as pivotal not only to the universe, but to the entire brand of Star Wars as a whole, and to society and pop culture? Chris Pine, in my opinion, did a stellar job playing Kirk, so it can be done. Question is, who's qualified to play Luke? Furthermore, whoever would assume the role of Luke must be not only, in my opinion, well versed in the fiction, but also understand the moral and cultural implications that Skywalker must face. He must restore the Jedi order, which has stood for thousands of years. Not only that, but he must deal with his own inner turmoil, and, if possible, Skywalker's encounters with the Dark Side of the force and the questions that it presents to him.

Ignoring all of that, we could assume that the Star Wars universe instead decides to revisit the era that KoToR so fantastically revealed to us. I would be against a movie in this universe, simply because when I play KoToR, I play it through my own eyes, crafting my own story, my own choices, and with my own goals. That is the beauty of the game, in that it creates a much more personal story. In the same way that the Mass Effect movie will have trouble defining how crucial choices are to the game (As well as what specific choices they will make), a movie in this time era would have trouble recreating the same magic that KoToR did. Going further back than this would also be unlikely, as most people aren't that interested in fiction from the beginnings of the discovery of the Force.

Here's the craziest idea that I've thought of: Reboot. Yes, that cursed word. How would rebooting Star Wars even work? To be honest, I can't even say. The sheer chaos that this word invokes when put in the same sentence as Star Wars is unimaginable. That is why such a thing is worth noting. Where would this go? How would it work? Why?
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So, little discussion aside, share your thoughts. Please, if possible, let's keep this educated. Try and be thoughtful with your posts. Also, all of this must happen before 2015, as that is when that movie is slated for release. Will there be enough time, even? Or is this project doomed to fail? Let me know what you think!
 
obviously it will have to be set many years later or the actors may still want a part in the movie and it cant be before the prequels other wise its episoide 0.
 
Disney + Marvel gave us Avengers. remember that. also, read Seth's wall of text, it's very informative.
 
"Whatever they do cannot, in any way, be worse than Episodes I, II or III."

You'd be surprised.

As a hardcore Star Wars fan, this is some definite news to me; I'm not 100% sure how to react to it. I always have and always will be excited for news pertaining to Star Wars, good or bad, and in my eyes, the series can only get better from this point. The re-establishment of the Jedi Order is certainly a great focus for the next movie, along with so many other opportunities from the expanded universe. Disney's hopefully a step in the right direction as well, and I can't imagine the pressure that will be put on the producers and cast of the upcoming installment. As a faithful fan, I will always hope for the best, since I grew up with Star Wars and there's no way I'd abandon it over a new development like this one. I hope you guys feel the same.

Also, I recommend you guys watch this video made by one of my favorite movie/game reviewers. It's pretty informative and gives an optimistic outlook on the new development.

(May the force be with us.)
 
Star Wars + Disney = Jedi Jack Sparrow.

I do not know whether to love it, or pray for the Mayan doomsday. lol
 
It'll be interesting to say the least. I feel as though the Star Wars series ended well at six and didn't need any more sequels, but I'm open to the idea.
 
You know this makes Leia a Disney Princess now.
 
Why does everyone make the good threads before me :(

On a more related note, i'm really looking foward to them, but i've still got episodes V, VI, I, II & III to watch.

If I don't watch them soon I might get kicked out of my nerd group :(
 
The news really took me by surprise (honestly, I thought it was a joke when I first heard about it earlier this morning), and at the moment, I'm still processing it.

I don't know if I'd count as a hardcore SW fan, but I'm probably close. Though, if anything, my biggest fan spot is the EU. I've read all the novels and some of the comics. I love so many of the new characters introduced, and movie characters whose roles were expanded. I love the stories (yes, even the cheesy ones). I've laughed, I've cried (especially at the end of tghe Legacy series).

Part of me is very, very afraid for the EU. That pessimist in me sees the EU going down one of two paths: A) the new trilogy completely ignores the EU continuity and it's all stripped from canon, essentially becoming one long Infinities series; or B) the EU is encorporated into the trilogy (either in full, by taking novels and repurposing them, or in part, by taking characters), but done out of the spirit of the characters to make them more marketable.

Of course, it's possible that B could be done correctly, too. For as long as I've been a part of the EU, I remember talks about the Thrawn trilogy being, in effect, the "third" trilogy, and it's epic enough that I think the books could work as movies: good new characters while still keeping the old, exciting storylines, a pretty awesome villain. At the same time, it's so close to the EpVI that Mark, Carrie, and Harrison (as much as I love them) would be too old to play their roles. If they wanted to keep the generational gap that the two previous trilogies exhibited, they could focus the movies on Han and Leia's kids, which would fit the ages for the three main actors as well. The Yuuzhan Vong would be the obvious choice from a timeline perspective, but it's too long and violent to really work as a movie trilogy without some substantial changes.

Ideally, I think the best thing they could do would be to make the movies past the edge of where the main EU ends: After the end of the Fate of the Jedi novel series. There's a big chunk where A) the main 3 (Luke, Leia, and Han) are still alive but nothing has been written, so there's no continuity to worry about. Luke's son Ben would be at the perfect age to be a star in the films, and they could reference the EU as much or as little as they wanted to while still keeping it all in canon. The downside to this, of course, is that it has very little tie in to the previous movie trilogies. At this point in the story, the Empire has been fully defeated as is now its own, smaller, legitimate government, so there goes having the well-known baddy as a villain.

Eh, I guess I'm kind of rambling now. There's just so many ways I can see this going that I don't even really know what to predict. I just really, really hope they do it justice and that the EU isn't destroyed in the process.
 
Hate to say it, but I couldn't care less. The original Star Wars trilogy were the only good ones in the entire series, and (aside from being completely unnecessary as prologues) Episodes I-III pretty much killed the series for me because they had terrible storylines and the CGI created elements looked faker than the stuff in the first shows that had to be made by hand.
 
Artemis said:
The news really took me by surprise (honestly, I thought it was a joke when I first heard about it earlier this morning), and at the moment, I'm still processing it.

I don't know if I'd count as a hardcore SW fan, but I'm probably close. Though, if anything, my biggest fan spot is the EU. I've read all the novels and some of the comics. I love so many of the new characters introduced, and movie characters whose roles were expanded. I love the stories (yes, even the cheesy ones). I've laughed, I've cried (especially at the end of tghe Legacy series).

Part of me is very, very afraid for the EU. That pessimist in me sees the EU going down one of two paths: A) the new trilogy completely ignores the EU continuity and it's all stripped from canon, essentially becoming one long Infinities series; or B) the EU is encorporated into the trilogy (either in full, by taking novels and repurposing them, or in part, by taking characters), but done out of the spirit of the characters to make them more marketable.

Of course, it's possible that B could be done correctly, too. For as long as I've been a part of the EU, I remember talks about the Thrawn trilogy being, in effect, the "third" trilogy, and it's epic enough that I think the books could work as movies: good new characters while still keeping the old, exciting storylines, a pretty awesome villain. At the same time, it's so close to the EpVI that Mark, Carrie, and Harrison (as much as I love them) would be too old to play their roles. If they wanted to keep the generational gap that the two previous trilogies exhibited, they could focus the movies on Han and Leia's kids, which would fit the ages for the three main actors as well. The Yuuzhan Vong would be the obvious choice from a timeline perspective, but it's too long and violent to really work as a movie trilogy without some substantial changes.

Ideally, I think the best thing they could do would be to make the movies past the edge of where the main EU ends: After the end of the Fate of the Jedi novel series. There's a big chunk where A) the main 3 (Luke, Leia, and Han) are still alive but nothing has been written, so there's no continuity to worry about. Luke's son Ben would be at the perfect age to be a star in the films, and they could reference the EU as much or as little as they wanted to while still keeping it all in canon. The downside to this, of course, is that it has very little tie in to the previous movie trilogies. At this point in the story, the Empire has been fully defeated as is now its own, smaller, legitimate government, so there goes having the well-known baddy as a villain.

Eh, I guess I'm kind of rambling now. There's just so many ways I can see this going that I don't even really know what to predict. I just really, really hope they do it justice and that the EU isn't destroyed in the process.

I actually watched a video where Lucas is talking about how he wanted to hand over the reins, and he talks about how he actually had a script penned or idea or proof of concept or something for Episodes VII, VIII and IX. That being said, I have a sinking feeling that these things were written a long time ago (before a lot of existing canon came about, and, as such, completely disregard it), or were written closer to when I, II and III were written, but complete ignore the existing canon as is, in the same manner that Halo:Reach (game) completely ignores the canon established by Halo: Fall of Reach (book) 10 years prior. We'll see...
 
I welcome this news. I watch the Star Wars movies for the entertainment value, so more movies is good news.


One Approved said:
Well it's not like the acting can get any worse than it was in I, II, and III anyways... right?


IV, V, VI are worse. Carrie Fisher even said how bad her acting was in those 3. The only good thing about IV, V, VI is NO Jar Jar Binks.
 
Ehhh I dunno. IMO, Liam Neeson was the only good Actor in I, II, and III. Samuel L. Jackson was OK, I guess... although I can agree with you on the fact that we can at least look forward to not dealing with Jar Jar.

Hate to say it, but I couldn't care less. The original Star Wars trilogy were the only good ones in the entire series, and (aside from being completely unnecessary as prologues) Episodes I-III pretty much killed the series for me because they had terrible storylines and the CGI created elements looked faker than the stuff in the first shows that had to be made by hand.

I pretty much agree with this. The only reason I still watch 1-3 is because of the choreographed fight sequences in 1 and 3.
 
About the only good things in Episodes 1-3 are the fight sequences. If they could somehow combine the awesome fights of those episodes and the epic storyline of Episodes 4-6, than I would consider seeing Disney-made Episode 7 in 2015 provided it doesn't have Mickey Mouse in it.
 
Familiar said:
I welcome this news. I watch the Star Wars movies for the entertainment value, so more movies is good news.


One Approved said:
Well it's not like the acting can get any worse than it was in I, II, and III anyways... right?


IV, V, VI are worse. Carrie Fisher even said how bad her acting was in those 3. The only good thing about IV, V, VI is NO Jar Jar Binks.

You can't...you're not...you're not serious, are you? I, II and III are better than IV, V and VI? The movies that made Star Wars what it is? The glory days of Star Wars? The movies that gave form to the Space Opera genre of films? Those movies, those pop culture icons...they're worse than I, II and III? Are you seriously telling me that the over-the-top uses of CGI for tens of minutes at a time (bad CGI, at that), coupled with horrendous acting (*cough* Hayden Christensen *cough*) and awful scripts are better than movies that not only featured the most pivotal character to the entire Star Wars universe (arguable, yes, but, Luke did reestablish the Jedi Order), but also featured quite possible the most recognized villain, and sound effect (the breathing) of all time, right up there with the likes of Bowser and Ganondorf? Come on, man. You can watch them for entertainment value, but like, you'd be lying to yourself if you felt more engrossed in I, II or III than IV, V or VI.

In other news, this just came up, and brings an interesting tidbit. Star Wars originally supposed to span four separate trilogies? Now that sounds very strange, and I'm definitely not sure if I like that. Furthermore, I have a feeling that the extended canon may/may get affected (effected? I never know the difference) here, but, we'll see.
 
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