Discussion Hidden Fates Partial Set List

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Well since Hidden Fates is probably my most hyped set EVER, I made a predictive set list while at work after the reveal of the first English cards from the set earlier :D

The SV subset was pretty easy, no surprises there - but the main set is a little tricky. I assumed we'd be getting all the new cards from the Brock/Misty Trainer Battle Decks since those still haven't been brought over and it seems like a good opportunity with all the Gen 1 GXs already included lol but even then there's still empty spots, especially in the Trainers

(Bold cards are 100% confirmed)

01 Caterpie
02 Metapod
03 Butterfree
04 Paras
05 Scyther
06 Pinsir-GX (RR)
07 Charmander
08 Charmeleon
09 Charizard-GX (RR)
10 Magmar
11 Psyduck
12 Slowpoke
13 Staryu
14 Starmie-GX (RR)
15 Magikarp
16 Gyarados-GX (RR)
17 Lapras
18 Vaporeon (H)
19 Pikachu
20 Raichu-GX (RR)
21 Voltorb
22 Electrode
23 Jolteon
24 Zapdos (H)
25 Ekans
26 Ekans
27 Arbok
28 Koffing
29 Weezing
30 Jynx
31 Mewtwo-GX (RR)
32 Mew
33 Geodude
34 Graveler
35 Golem
36 Onix-GX (RR)
37 Cubone
38 Clefairy
39 Clefairy
40 Clefable
41 Jigglypuff
42 Wigglytuff-GX (RR)
43 Mr. Mime
44 Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno-GX (RR)
45 Farfetch’d
46 Chansey
47 Kangaskhan
48 Eevee (H)
49 Eevee
50 Snorlax
51 Bill's Analysis
52 Blaine's Last Stand
53 Brock’s Grit
54 Brock's Pewter City Gym
55 Brock’s Training
56 Erika's Hospitality
57 Giovanni's Exile
58 Jessie & James
59 Koga's Trap
60 Lt. Surge's Strategy
61 Misty’s Cerulean City Gym
62 Misty's Determination
63 Misty’s Water Manipulation
64 Pokemon Center Lady
65 Sabrina's Suggestion
66 Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno-GX (SR)
67 Giovanni's Exile (SR)
68 Jessie & James (SR)
69 Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno-GX (HR)

SV01 Scyther
SV02 Rowlet
SV03 Dartrix
SV04 Wimpod
SV05 Pheromosa
SV06 Charmander
SV07 Charmeleon
SV08 Alolan Vulpix
SV09 Wooper
SV10 Quagsire
SV11 Froakie
SV12 Frogadier
SV13 Voltorb
SV14 Xurkitree
SV15 Seviper
SV16 Shuppet
SV17 Inkay
SV18 Malamar
SV19 Poipole
SV20 Sudowoodo
SV21 Riolu
SV22 Lucario
SV23 Rockruff
SV24 Buzzwole
SV25 Zorua
SV26 Guzzlord
SV27 Magnemite
SV28 Magneton
SV29 Magnezone
SV30 Beldum
SV31 Metang
SV32 Celesteela
SV33 Kartana
SV34 Ralts
SV35 Kirlia
SV36 Diancie
SV37 Altaria
SV38 Gible
SV39 Gabite
SV40 Garchomp
SV41 Eevee
SV42 Swablu
SV43 Noibat
SV44 Oranguru
SV45 Type: Null
SV46 Leafeon-GX
SV47 Decidueye-GX
SV48 Golisopod-GX
SV49 Charizard-GX
SV50 Ho-Oh-GX
SV51 Reshiram-GX
SV52 Turtonator-GX
SV53 Alolan Ninetales-GX
SV54 Articuno-GX
SV55 Glaceon-GX
SV56 Greninja-GX
SV57 Electrode-GX
SV58 Xurkitree-GX
SV59 Mewtwo-GX
SV60 Espeon-GX
SV61 Banette-GX
SV62 Nihilego-GX
SV63 Naganadel-GX
SV64 Lucario-GX
SV65 Zygarde-GX
SV66 Lycanroc-GX (Midnight)
SV67 Lycanroc-GX (Dusk)
SV68 Buzzwole-GX
SV69 Umbreon-GX
SV70 Darkrai-GX
SV71 Guzzlord-GX
SV72 Scizor-GX
SV73 Kartana-GX
SV74 Stakataka-GX
SV75 Gardevoir-GX
SV76 Sylveon-GX
SV77 Altaria-GX
SV78 Noivern-GX
SV79 Silvally-GX
SV80 Drampa-GX
SV81 Aether Foundation Employee FA
SV82 Cynthia FA
SV83 Fisherman FA
SV84 Guzma FA
SV85 Hiker FA
SV86 Lady FA
SV87 Aether Paradise Conservation Area FA
SV88 Brooklet Hill FA
SV89 Mt. Coronet FA
SV90 Shrine of Punishment FA
SV91 Tapu Bulu GX FA (Gold)
SV92 Tapu Fini GX FA (Gold)
SV93 Tapu Koko GX FA (Gold)
SV94 Tapu Lele GX FA (Gold)
 
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For the SV subset, we more or less agree, but I think we'll get the missing Lady FA in place of Viridian Forest. IGN had reported on the Hidden Fates reveals earlier this morning, and claimed that there were be four Stadium full arts.

The "main" set is going to be interesting. Unified Minds has more Grass and Fire Pokemon than we expected from Sky Legends, Miracle Twins and GG End so some of us in the Unified Minds prediction thread were expecting some of the Family Card Box cards like the Butterfree line to show up there instead.
 
Here are my thoughts as of now! I'm a bit uncertain on the Trainers, as well as Igglybuff, but it fit so haha :p

1. Caterpie
2. Metapod
3. Butterfree
4. Scyther
5. Pinsir GX
6. Chespin
7. Charmander
8. Charmeleon
9. Charizard GX
10. Magmar
11. Litten
12. Psyduck
13. Starmie GX
14. Magikarp
15. Gyarados GX
16. Lapras
17. Vaporeon
18. Bruxish
19. Pikachu
20. Raichu GX
21. Voltorb
22. Electrode
23. Jolteon
24. Togedemaru
25. Ekans
26. Ekans (From Sky Legend)
27. Arbok (From Sky Legend)
28. Koffing (From Sky Legend)
29. Weezing (From Sky Legend)
30. Jynx
31. Mewtwo GX
32. Mew
33. Inkay
34. Salandit
35. Geodude
36. Graveler
37. Golem
38. Onix GX
39. Clefairy
40. Clefable
41. Jigglypuff
42. Wigglytuff GX
43. Mr. Mime
44. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX
45. Farfetch'd
46. Chansey
47. Kangaskhan
48. Eevee
49. Snorlax
50. Yungoos
51. Gumshoos
52. Stufful
53. Brock's Grit
54. Brock's Pewter City Gym
55. Brock's Training
56. Bug Catcher
57. Hau
58. Jessie & James
59. Misty's Cerulian City Gym
60. Misty's Determination
61. Misty's Water Manipulation
62. Pokémon Center Lady
63. Potion
64. Rare Candy
65. Switch
66. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX
67. Giovanni's Exile
68. Jessie & James
69. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX

With the Shiny Set, we're pretty much agreeing on everything though! :D

SV1. Scyther
SV2. Rowlet
SV3. Dartrix
SV4. Wimpod
SV5. Pheromosa
SV6. Charmander
SV7. Charmeleon
SV8. Alolan Vulpix
SV9. Wooper
SV10. Quagsire
SV11. Froakie
SV12. Frogadier
SV13. Voltorb
SV14. Xurkitree
SV15. Seviper
SV16. Shuppet
SV17. Inkay
SV18. Malamar
SV19. Poipole
SV20. Sudowoodo
SV21. Riolu
SV22. Lucario
SV23. Rockruff
SV24. Buzzwole
SV25. Zorua
SV26. Guzzlord
SV27. Magnemite
SV28. Magneton
SV29. Magnezone
SV30. Beldum
SV31. Metang
SV32. Celesteela
SV33. Kartana
SV34. Ralts
SV35. Kirlia
SV36. Diancie
SV37. Altaria
SV38. Gible
SV39. Gabite
SV40. Garchomp
SV41. Eevee
SV42. Swablu
SV43. Noibat
SV44. Oranguru
SV45. Type: Null
SV46. Leafeon GX
SV47. Decidueye GX
SV48. Golisopod GX
SV49. Charizard GX
SV50. Ho-Oh GX
SV51. Reshiram GX
SV52. Turtonator GX
SV53. Alolan Ninetales GX
SV54. Articuno GX
SV55. Glaceon GX
SV56. Greninja GX
SV57. Electrode GX
SV58. Xurkitree GX
SV59. Mewtwo GX
SV60. Espeon GX
SV61. Banette GX
SV62. Nihilego GX
SV63. Naganadel GX
SV64. Lucario GX
SV65. Zygarde GX
SV66. Lycanroc GX
SV67. Lycanroc GX
SV68. Buzzwole GX
SV69. Umbreon GX
SV70. Darkrai GX
SV71. Guzzlord GX
SV72. Scizor GX
SV73. Kartana GX
SV74. Stakataka GX
SV75. Gardevoir GX
SV76. Sylveon GX
SV77. Altaria GX
SV78. Noivern GX
SV79. Silvally GX
SV80. Drampa GX
SV81. Aether Foundation Employee
SV82. Cynthia
SV83. Fisherman
SV84. Guzma
SV85. Hiker
SV86. Lady
SV87. Aether Paradise Conservation Area
SV88. Brooklet Hill
SV89. Mt. Coronet
SV90. Shrine of Punishment
SV91. Tapu Bulu
SV92. Tapu Fini
SV93. Tapu Koko
SV.94 Tapu Lele
 
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Frost said:
For the SV subset, we more or less agree, but I think we'll get the missing Lady FA in place of Viridian Forest. IGN had reported on the Hidden Fates reveals earlier this morning, and claimed that there were be four Stadium full arts.

The "main" set is going to be interesting. Unified Minds has more Grass and Fire Pokemon than we expected from Sky Legends, Miracle Twins and GG End so some of us in the Unified Minds prediction thread were expecting some of the Family Card Box cards like the Butterfree line to show up there instead.
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OH I forgot IGN said that lol it's very interesting that we'd only get 4 of the 5 FA Stadiums, maybe they'll make one a box promo?

I'm definitely curious to see which Family Box Cards will be in Unified Minds or Hidden Fates; I feel like it'd be the easiest to just put them all in Hidden Fates, but it seems at this point they could go either way

steffenka said:
Here are my thoughts as of now! I'm a bit uncertain on the Trainers, as well as Igglybuff, but it fit so haha :p

1. Scyther
2. Pinsir GX
3. Dwebble (From Sky Legend)
4. Crustle (From Sky Legend)
5. Chespin
6. Charmander
7. Charmeleon
8. Charizard GX
9. Vulpix
10. Litten
11. Salandit
12. Salazzle
13. Alolan Vulpix
14. Psyduck
15. Starmie GX
16. Magikarp
17. Gyarados GX
18. Lapras
19. Pyukumuku
20. Pikachu
21. Raichu GX
22. Voltorb
23. Electrode
24. Togedemaru
25. Ekans
26. Ekans (From Sky Legend)
27. Arbok (From Sky Legend)
28. Koffing (From Sky Legend)
29. Weezing (From Sky Legend)
30. Jynx
31. Mewtwo GX
32. Mew
33. Inkay
34. Geodude
35. Graveler
36. Golem
37. Onix GX
38. Clefairy
39. Clefairy
40. Clefable
41. Jigglypuff
42. Wigglytuff GX
43. Mr. Mime
44. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX
45. Farfetch'd
46. Chansey
47. Kangaskhan
48. Eevee
49. Snorlax
50. Hoothoot (From Sky Legend)
51. Noctowl (From Sky Legend)
52. Igglybuff
53. Brock's Grit
54. Brock's Pewter City Gym
55. Brock's Training
56. Bug Catcher
57. Dragonium Z Dragon Claw/Erika
58. Jessie & James
59. Misty's Cerulian City Gym
60. Misty's Determination
61. Misty's Water Manipulation
62. Pokémon Center Lady
63.
64.
65.
66. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX
67. Giovanni's Exile
68. Jessie & James
69. Moltres & Zapdos & Articuno GX
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whoops forgot about Pokemon Center Lady, and Igglybuff does fit perfectly LOL it's annoying how we don't get these promos for so long it makes it harder to figure out which ones they're putting in sets and which ones they'll just put in blisters :p
 
MasterGallade said:
OH I forgot IGN said that lol it's very interesting that we'd only get 4 of the 5 FA Stadiums, maybe they'll make one a box promo?
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It seems likely at this point that the SR Viridian Forest will be in Unified Minds, since it doesn't mess with its Standard legality in a future TEU-on format (Forest is the only SR stadium revealed thus far in the C block)
 
I would think Potion, Great Ball and Pokemon Catcher will all get reprinted in the main set. They were in the Family Card box, and they'll be rotated out in August despite being common entry-level filler Trainers. There are 13 Trainers in the box and I would predict seeing some of the first three categories:

Rotating out but common:
-Potion, Great Ball, Pokemon Catcher

Not yet printed in English:
-Pokemon Center Lady, Bug Catcher

Will still be in rotation anyway so maybe they'll reprint them:
-Crushing Hammer, Rare Candy, Switch, Judge, Cynthia

Rotating out and probably not:
-Hau, Ilima, Professor Kukui
 
Frost said:
I would think Potion, Great Ball and Pokemon Catcher will all get reprinted in the main set. They were in the Family Card box, and they'll be rotated out in August despite being common entry-level filler Trainers. There are 13 Trainers in the box and I would predict seeing some of the first three categories:

Rotating out but common:
-Potion, Great Ball, Pokemon Catcher

Not yet printed in English:
-Pokemon Center Lady, Bug Catcher

Will still be in rotation anyway so maybe they'll reprint them:
-Crushing Hammer, Rare Candy, Switch, Judge, Cynthia

Rotating out and probably not:
-Hau, Ilima, Professor Kukui
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1) It's a minor point, but Hau isn't rotating (reprinted in CES), and actually seems like a possible reprint
2) The fact that the new FA Cynthia is an alternate art SV print indicates that they don't want it legal for TEU-on, so it very likely wouldn't be reprinted in any capacity
 
Timmony_tcg said:
1) It's a minor point, but Hau isn't rotating (reprinted in CES), and actually seems like a possible reprint
2) The fact that the new FA Cynthia is an alternate art SV print indicates that they don't want it legal for TEU-on, so it very likely wouldn't be reprinted in any capacity
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Cynthia will still be legal though. She was released in Ultra Prism
 
Right, Timmony is saying that they might not want Cynthia to be legal in the Team Up-on rotation next year, which it would be if they reprinted her in the main set of Hidden Fates.
 
Timmony_tcg said:
It seems likely at this point that the SR Viridian Forest will be in Unified Minds, since it doesn't mess with its Standard legality in a future TEU-on format (Forest is the only SR stadium revealed thus far in the C block)
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Very good point actually, for some reason when I originally put all 5 Stadiums I wasn't thinking of which ones would be legal after rotation lol
 
I think I will delete the Butterfree line then change to Dwebble line. Dwebble, Hoothoot, and Ekans are the Pokemon with the Birds in the artwork
 
Frost said:
Right, Timmony is saying that they might not want Cynthia to be legal in the Team Up-on rotation next year, which it would be if they reprinted her in the main set of Hidden Fates.
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If next year was Team Up-on, Electrocharger will be 100% useless. So I would suggest LOT-on.
 
What do they care if one specific card becomes useless? They've pretty much rotated out an entire year's worth of sets consistently since keeping Majestic Dawn-on and realizing they shouldn't have.
 
For some reason, Steffneka's prediction looks more accurate, giving the circumstances that Dwebble has a Legendary Bird in its picture.
 
Frost said:
Right, Timmony is saying that they might not want Cynthia to be legal in the Team Up-on rotation next year, which it would be if they reprinted her in the main set of Hidden Fates.
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Oh as in Next August's rotation. Gotcha
 
The Rhyperior said:
If next year was Team Up-on, Electrocharger will be 100% useless. So I would suggest LOT-on.
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There are a number of reasons why the next rotation will most likely be TEU-on, but since I don't want to detract too much from the original discussion, I'll just give a couple bullet points and leave it at that:
  • Tag Bolt, the Japanese main set equivalent for our Team Up, was the start of the C block - while our rotation won't be matching Japan exactly (if they rotate all of B block, they'll be losing Dark Order/GX Ultra Shiny, which we obviously keep), it's still a good indication of the cutoff for rotation
  • Rotation generally occurs at the point when a new gameplay mechanic is introduced (e.g. Prism Star cards in Ultra Prism, Ancient Trait cards in Primal Clash, Pokemon BREAK in BREAKthrough) - obviously, Tag Teams are the major new mechanic in this case
  • Rotation also usually matches the game releases (Ultra Prism to promote USUM, Primal Clash to promote ORAS) - Team Up could be considered the start of the unofficial "Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee block"
 
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Timmony_tcg said:
There are a number of reasons why the next rotation will most likely be TEU-on, but since I don't want to detract too much from the original discussion, I'll just give a couple bullet points and leave it at that:
  • Tag Bolt, the Japanese main set equivalent for our Team Up, was the start of the C block - while our rotation won't be matching Japan exactly (if they rotate all of B block, they'll be losing Dark Order/GX Ultra Shiny, which we obviously keep), it's still a good indication of the cutoff for rotation
  • Rotation generally occurs at the point when a new gameplay mechanic is introduced (e.g. Prism Star cards in Ultra Prism, Ancient Trait cards in Primal Clash, Pokemon BREAK in BREAKthrough) - obviously, Tag Teams are the major new mechanic in this case
  • Rotation also usually matches the game releases (Ultra Prism to promote USUM, Primal Clash to promote ORAS) - Team Up could be considered the start of the unofficial "Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee block"
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I feel like the TCG will be very stale by the time Gen 8 comes out, because of the restriction of which Pokémon can be used. Cutting out 5 sets at a time, IMO is also too much.
 
Looks like Hoothoot, Noctowl, and Bug Catcher are in Unified Minds, so really wondering what will take their place now lol

BUT! I was right about the Dwebble line not being in Hidden Fates :p
 
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