How popular will Kyurem be at cities? How about beyond that? My reason is becuase I run a mew deck with vileplume and quite a bit of low hp techs. I could add bellosom to lower the threat of kyurem, but I'm not sure. I run a pretty tight list, and I might not have room. Thanks
how popular will kyurem be?
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I wouldn't bother. Kyuremgatr is an awful deck, the only uses Kyurem is going to have is to counter Reshiphlosion and Donphan in D&D decks and in The Truth with Outrage, although SEL is probably better in The Truth anyway and D&D is pretty much a dead deck with Cyrogonal's release. So, use of Kyurem is going to be very little, use of Glaciate is going to be non-existent.
If somebody is playing D&D they aren't going to be using Kyurem against your Mews.
Also, I don't realistically see it having a place in The Truth. SEL already dominates Reshiram and Donphan and it doesn't have to put itself in the KO range to do it like Kyurem would have to. It will see play in D&D, though, but they won't be using Glaciate, for sure. And some Gothitelle decks might run a 1/1 Zekrom/Kyurem split for better type coverage, but you shouldn't have an issue with that if you are playing Mewbox.
Who knows, though. People tech the dragons into everything.
Also, I don't realistically see it having a place in The Truth. SEL already dominates Reshiram and Donphan and it doesn't have to put itself in the KO range to do it like Kyurem would have to. It will see play in D&D, though, but they won't be using Glaciate, for sure. And some Gothitelle decks might run a 1/1 Zekrom/Kyurem split for better type coverage, but you shouldn't have an issue with that if you are playing Mewbox.
Who knows, though. People tech the dragons into everything.
I haven't tested with it at all yet, since Regionals hasn't happened yet. So, I'm not sure how I feel about the card. It certainly has uses as an Outrage tech.
As far as Glaciate goes, spread has always has trouble being good. But, we've never had a 130HP basic spreading as well as a 140HP Stage 2 for 2 less energy and an arguably better first attack. And Tyranitar was Tier 2 in his format. I'm not sure how well I see him doing against the other dragons, since he has to watch out for their Outrages. But, with Twins abuse, I do think he might have potential against other stuff. I'll have to test it and report later.
As far as Glaciate goes, spread has always has trouble being good. But, we've never had a 130HP basic spreading as well as a 140HP Stage 2 for 2 less energy and an arguably better first attack. And Tyranitar was Tier 2 in his format. I'm not sure how well I see him doing against the other dragons, since he has to watch out for their Outrages. But, with Twins abuse, I do think he might have potential against other stuff. I'll have to test it and report later.
I personally feel that Kyurem has very low amounts of potential in this format. Kyurem as a deck is not going to function. Way too slow, and overall ineffective against a significant portion of the format. When I first read Kyurem I thought that it was going to have a lot of potential as a tech; however, now I am thinking otherwise.
The thing that Kyurem counters most effectively is Donphan, because Donphan can barely 2HKO Kyurem, when Kyurem can one shot Donphan with only 5 damage counters. The problem here is that Donphan has seen a large die off in play due to the popularity of Reuniclus Vileplume combos. Having a great counter to a deck that no one plays isn't going to get you anywhere, and is overall a waste of space as a tech in any deck with a tight list.
Most people would argue that Kyurem would work as a Reshiram counter, but once again, I don't see it. To take out a Reshiram, Kyurem is going to need 5 damage counters, it will not be able to kill Reshiram with its damage spread attack. While Kyurem as a Reshiram counter has similar properties that are effective against Donphan, there is one solid reason that Kyurem will not function as a Reshiram counter. Reshiram will OHKO your Kyurem with a Pluspower. This is going to be a problem, even with Eviolite in the format, I am not seeing Kyurem as an effective counter because the Reshiram player will be in control of your damage output, they can choose not to attack you, making it so your Outrage is only hitting Reshiram for 40, 20 if they have Eviolite. It may be difficult to play around, but a good Reshiram player can easily win against Kyurem techs, they will not be losing more than one Reshiram per Kyurem you send out, that is for sure.
While Kyurem may not be an effective force this format, there are still some things that you could play it with if you are still interested. One deck that I could see a Kyurem tech being effective in is google's deck, or anything playing Vileplume Reuniclus. Only a select handful of Pokémon are going to be able to OHKO Kyurem, so your Reuniclus Vileplume combo can keep your Kyurem alive for long amounts of time. Early game you could start to build up Kyurem with your Rainbow Energy, and once the time is right, you can bring Kyurem up and start spreading to your opponent's field. Having the ability to heal your Kyurem off may give you enough time to get a decent amount of kills through spread.
Kyurem as a tech in Donphan Dragons is pretty excellent. Since you are already playing DCE, you can build up Kyurem's Outrage in one turn. After several Earthquakes, Kyurem could be a significant threat to things that it would normal counter so effectively, such as Reshiphlosion. A Kyurem with 5 damage counters can kill a Typhlosion Prime if you Pokémon Catcher it into your opponent's active. This could tip a difficult match up in your favor.
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The thing that Kyurem counters most effectively is Donphan, because Donphan can barely 2HKO Kyurem, when Kyurem can one shot Donphan with only 5 damage counters. The problem here is that Donphan has seen a large die off in play due to the popularity of Reuniclus Vileplume combos. Having a great counter to a deck that no one plays isn't going to get you anywhere, and is overall a waste of space as a tech in any deck with a tight list.
Most people would argue that Kyurem would work as a Reshiram counter, but once again, I don't see it. To take out a Reshiram, Kyurem is going to need 5 damage counters, it will not be able to kill Reshiram with its damage spread attack. While Kyurem as a Reshiram counter has similar properties that are effective against Donphan, there is one solid reason that Kyurem will not function as a Reshiram counter. Reshiram will OHKO your Kyurem with a Pluspower. This is going to be a problem, even with Eviolite in the format, I am not seeing Kyurem as an effective counter because the Reshiram player will be in control of your damage output, they can choose not to attack you, making it so your Outrage is only hitting Reshiram for 40, 20 if they have Eviolite. It may be difficult to play around, but a good Reshiram player can easily win against Kyurem techs, they will not be losing more than one Reshiram per Kyurem you send out, that is for sure.
While Kyurem may not be an effective force this format, there are still some things that you could play it with if you are still interested. One deck that I could see a Kyurem tech being effective in is google's deck, or anything playing Vileplume Reuniclus. Only a select handful of Pokémon are going to be able to OHKO Kyurem, so your Reuniclus Vileplume combo can keep your Kyurem alive for long amounts of time. Early game you could start to build up Kyurem with your Rainbow Energy, and once the time is right, you can bring Kyurem up and start spreading to your opponent's field. Having the ability to heal your Kyurem off may give you enough time to get a decent amount of kills through spread.
Kyurem as a tech in Donphan Dragons is pretty excellent. Since you are already playing DCE, you can build up Kyurem's Outrage in one turn. After several Earthquakes, Kyurem could be a significant threat to things that it would normal counter so effectively, such as Reshiphlosion. A Kyurem with 5 damage counters can kill a Typhlosion Prime if you Pokémon Catcher it into your opponent's active. This could tip a difficult match up in your favor.
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Yeah sucks that Noble Victories isn't legal for Regionals this year, but If you do still plan on running Kyurem run it with Cobalion and Electrode Prime. The only problem I see with the deck is that Magnezone might get a spike in popularity to counter against N and we know how amazing of a Supporter it is. So they use N to downgrade your hand and you draw back up to 6 with Zone, big deal.
It's early to say whether If N will be the reason for MagneBoar and PrimeTime to be great again but If so then coincidentally is nice with the recent Yanmega Prime reprint in the new Prime Challenge Boxes. I don't think Yanmega is as popular as it once was soley due to Zekrom being a force in the metagame right now. Plus Yanmega is pretty easy to get around If you're playing your cards right.
Kyurem is the reason why BlameTruth is running a Steelix Prime tech, so that it can 2HKO Kyurem with Energy Stream and with it's massive HP being 140 it will survive an Outrage from Kyurem and then with Reuniclus can transfer damage counters with Damage Swap and use it to sacrifice Pichu's and Cleffa's to use Twins or N If need be to get what it needs in order to win despite being behind on prizes.
It's early to say whether If N will be the reason for MagneBoar and PrimeTime to be great again but If so then coincidentally is nice with the recent Yanmega Prime reprint in the new Prime Challenge Boxes. I don't think Yanmega is as popular as it once was soley due to Zekrom being a force in the metagame right now. Plus Yanmega is pretty easy to get around If you're playing your cards right.
Kyurem is the reason why BlameTruth is running a Steelix Prime tech, so that it can 2HKO Kyurem with Energy Stream and with it's massive HP being 140 it will survive an Outrage from Kyurem and then with Reuniclus can transfer damage counters with Damage Swap and use it to sacrifice Pichu's and Cleffa's to use Twins or N If need be to get what it needs in order to win despite being behind on prizes.
Vulpix Yolk said:
Vulpix Yolk said:
So it isn't a good tech against Reshiram, but if you can get off 5 earthquakes, you can send up your Kyurem T7 for a catcher ko so as long as they don't catcher you up first?
Honestly, I don't see Kyurem being very effective in anything that will be played. It's just another outrage tech.
Well yeah. Rainbow Energy can speed up the process, and Donphan really doesn't have a better counter to Reshiphlosion, so I figured I'd mention it. It is still a pretty strong use for Kyurem, because it is effective in the mirror as well.
You're forgetting about PlusPowers and Rainbow Energy. Bench double Kyurem, Earthquake. Even if they Catcher one, Earthquake + Rainbow puts you at 50 (100), so double PlusPower means a KO. Of course, this doesn't apply for Afterburner, which drops it down to one PlusPower, at most. So, double PlusPower with double Earthquake usually means a KO. I think it's much more useful for DD mirror than Reshiram, but it's certainly not an out-of-the question card for Reshiram.Captoats said:
Dark Void said:
I dunno, KyuremGatr has alot of potential. It's almost garaunteed to be an auto-win against Mewbox/MewPluff, granted it is pretty slow on the setup but once it gets going it's almost unstoppable unless you're running Cobalion or other {M} Pokemon to get around it. You run Jirachi in the deck for Time Hollow to get more prizes from using Glaciate and then bring KGL out to finish them.
Well, it might just be me but I can't think of a single advantageous matchup for KyuremGatr. Not even Mewbox; you set up a Feraligatr, Glaciate once, bringing 1 or 2 Mews down to 30, then they Sludge Drag your Feraligatr and because of the special condition it can't retreat and gets KOed by Mass Attack on the next turn. Then you bring up Kyurem, take two prizes, then that Kyurem gets 2HKOed and KyuremGatr loses since they can't set up another Gatr under trainer-lock, especially against Sludge Drag. I would think it would lose to the other dragons as well since they can OHKO Kyurem with a PlusPower while it fails to KO back, or they can Catcher Feraligatr and double PlusPower/2HKO that (OHKO regardless if Zekrom). GothReun can use Max Potion to keep the damage under control for the most part, especially if they don't have a full bench, and they can Catcher and 2HKO Feraligatrs and Kyurem. KyuremGatr will also have a hard time setting up if the G/R gets out a Gothitelle before they set up a Feraligatr, and it would be nearly impossible to set up a second after the first gets KOed. Matchups against The Truth would play out similarly to against G/R, but without Catcher. Are there any decks I missed that KyuremGatr actually wins against?
I would say that it wont be popular. Especially because nobodys posted in my thread about my list. 
Kyugatr with Jirachi and DCL could be good. I've had success with it so far, anyway. Maybe not T1, but really, I don't think enough people are paying enough attention to it for it to get a good list built.
Kyugatr with Jirachi and DCL could be good. I've had success with it so far, anyway. Maybe not T1, but really, I don't think enough people are paying enough attention to it for it to get a good list built.
Dark Void said:
You're just basing that Mewbox analysis on the deck itself running Yanmega Prime which with Catcher/Muk can bring out Gatr and hit it for 140 with a Copycat/Judge to attack for free. If you're running a Mew variant and you're not running Yanmega then you're going to have difficulty taking down KyuremGatr cause Mew variants lack anything that prevents or heals from bench spread damage. Max Potion is an option but even still unless you Item Lock with MewBox using Vileplume, MewPluff is an auto-loss to KyuremGatr cause of how Glaciate can 2HKO so easily and KGL just makes it even worse.
Did you even read my post? I never mentioned Yanmega in it. Turn 1 See off Muk, turn 2 See off Jumpluff/whatever your main attacker is, turn 3 Sludge Drag Feraligatr, turn 4 Mass Attack it for the KO, t5 bring up whatever attackers you have and 2HKO Kyurem. Opponent loses. Also, who runs Mewpluff without any other Pokemon? And KGL? Whaaaaaat? Also, you failed to mention how KyuremGatr does anything against any non-Mew deck, so apparently it loses to everything else, in which case nobody would run it anyway.
Twins, Max Potion, and Fisherman/Retrieval could potentially make Kyurgatr really good. Everyone's noted that Kyurgatr can't score quick KOs due to its spread attack, and how it has setup that will slow it down against faster decks. That screams Twins abuse to me in the best way. Because of the way Glaciate works, you could, theoretically, get 2-3 twins off before taking a prize, setting up a second Gatr while doing so, and setting up multiple KOs to suddenly pull ahead Eviolite and Max Potion can help Kyurem tank against the dragons. Retrieval and Fisherman get the energy back. Top off with a Super Rod to get key pokemon back, and you might have a pretty viable set up deck abusing the Twins engine to simultaneously attack and setup.
I think the kyragatr is just not very good it self but i think the only play kyurem will see if people just mainly testing it out. There have been lots of cards that do 30 across the field: a t tar (idk what set) and gyratina lvl x. and i dont think those saw much play. I think kyurem could be played with floatzle and shaymin and/or blastoise though. but all in all i would saw not much of kyurem.