Is Tyranitar too slow for the current format?

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I can't help but think that it is, it was initially designed to be a LostGar counter however due to the speed of SP Variants especially those that run Absol G and Weavile G, it literally blows Tyranitar Prime out of the park. I know that If Tyranitar is played right especially with Umbreon UD and Nidoqueen RR it can beat MewPerior possibly but it's a 50/50 chance the way I see it. With Umbreon gone Hard Crush from Rhyperior Lv. X just takes the game.

Being a Stage 2 Pokemon you want to get Tyranitar Prime out as fast as possible countering Gengar variants which is being played in sanctioned tournaments nowadays. The deck does have problems against Machamp and Donphan Prime variants which of course Umbreon UD and Nidoqueen RR makes up for but in the LostGar matchup Nidoqueen is null and void.

I overheard that Tyranitar has had great success on the National level and it was doing well in Japan's HGSS-On format but now I'm starting to second guess myself thinking that it's all hype and the horrible weakness to {F} just makes it a detrement in the current format especially with Machamp and Donphan Prime still in the format. This deck is slow once in a while that usually I'll lose due to time because this deck didn't perform fast enough or when I'm able to make a comeback I lose due to time.

So basically the verdict is this, The best decks to counter against LostGar is any SP variant that runs Weavile G or any {D} deck that solely runs on Absol G and Stage 1's like Honchkrow SV, not Tyranitar Prime. If you're going against VileGar while playing Tyranitar chances are that you want to run 4 Spiritomb with BTS evolving your Pokemon fast enough to catch up cause Rare Candy will be locked.

But with LostGar your bench is squeezed to a max of 3 by Palkia G Lv. X due to Lost Cyclone making it harder to play out your Stage 2 Pokemon leaving room for only 1 main attacker while not leaving yourself at risk of sending your Pokemon to the Lost Zone cause If you don't they'll win alot sooner with Gengar Prime and Lost World.
 
T-tar isn't too slow if you play the correct cards. rare candy and BTS are very much your friends. and PGX.. is not really run in a lostgar deck, ot's too clunky and if it is played, will only make a late game appearance to let the opponent take the win. Seeker is a much higher risk to you against a Lostgar build than PGX will ever be.
 
So I'm better off running Rare Candy in Tyranitar even though VileGar can shut it down with Vileplume UD? Just when I thought 4 Spiritomb AR would work and running less Trainers too. PGX is usually played with Warp Energy to send it to the bench, however Seeker with Gengar Prime is nasty I'll admit.
 
playtest. it's super important to playtest. I would recommend you face an Arceus build since it's super fast.
 
I've playtested it against MewPerior one time and it barely won without the Sudowoodo MD counter. As for VileGar there's only one person in my meta that plays it but I don't see the deck quite as often.

Nobody in my meta plays Arceus either, I see Gyarados, Machamp/Donphan, LostGar, Magnezone/Feraligatr Prime, and Steelix/Scizor Prime, that's about it.
 
you should playtest online with that link in my sig.. it takes a while to setup (so does Redshark) but it's a heck of alot easier to use. and prettier too.

I have my Arceus deck on there as well as something completely rogue.. it's so rogue.. it makes Rouge want to change it's name cuz it doesn't want to be confused with something so out there.

online playtesting is where it's at, it's fast and takes less time to setup a new game.

you will definitely need something to counter a Donchamp deck. either a Kingdra prime or Uxie X. everything else seems to be a pretty even matchup
 
for now, they might. but in April, when B/W comes out, there will be alot of pokemon catcher being used. and I mean ALOT.
 
TTAR is definetely not too slow for the format, and will be even better after rotation. TTAR takes roughly 3-4 turns to set up, if you have everything you need, and your going for the last attack. TTAR works well with Umbreon UD, just because Umbreon can stall while setting up TTAR, its not neccesary in TTAR, but it helps
 
Is that setup with Rare Candy or with Spiritomb AR Darkness Gracing up to T-Tar with or without
Broken-Time Space? There's already rumors that Rare Candy and PlusPower are getting errated next set to help prevent donks, it currently only effects Japan but it might outside as well.
 
Somebody posted this already, but just to reiterate, t2 powerclaw + sp drk + exp belt is horrifying. A friend of mine runs Ttar with sableye start. He runs 4 candies, allowing him to consistently have a Ttar on the field with sp energy, either a DCE or another sp energy and an umbreon or nidoqueen on the bench by T2. Once he gets Ttar out and swinging it is indeed the tank some people think it is. The point is, Ttar isn't JUST a T3-4 deck, but it can be up and running by T2 in the right deck, and can seriously destroy somebody's game plan if they are not ready for it.
 
Nah guys, no Spiritomb. Spiritomb is what makes the deck slow. Sableye is the play--Darkness howl+Overconfident wins games, especially against decks like Mewperior.
 
Problem is that Sableye SF is going to rotate out of the format next season, so we might need to start using Smeargle UD for Portrait in Tyranitar decks. As for backup attacker tech's alot of people already
run Nidoqueen RR and that's probably due to the synergy with Sableye SF and Impersonate, not just to get around Tyranitar Prime's Darkness Howl on Non-Dark Pokemon you have on your bench. It's nice but I'd rather have other options that are in the least bit more consistent I guess.

I'd run the new Gothitelle in Black & White Base Set to not only Lock Trainers while Active but also counter against Machamp Prime and Machamp SF to cover Tyranitar Prime's terrible x2 Fighting Weakness. It can do at least 120 damage to Machamp Prime and 90 to Machamp SF, 110 with Expert Belt attached to Gothitelle. It can also be a decent backup attacker against Donphan Prime and Nidoking TR being that they are the only popular Fighting Type Pokemon in the format that are x2 Weak against Water.

Another tech that'd be great with Gothitelle BW would be Mr. Mime from Call of Legends cause it can help you see If they have any Pokemon Catcher's in their hand in order to keep Gothitelle Active or Benched. Believe me Pokemon Catcher will be the most abused Trainer in the next set and hopefully TPCi won't be douschebags by cutting the best cards out of the next set like they did in the previous one's in the HeartGold/SoulSilver block prior to Call of Legends.

The best cards from Black & White need to stay in IMO cause with more people buying booster boxes they'll also be more encouraged to play in Pre-Release events and attend Draft Tournaments as well. One of the reasons why Call of Legends was a lackluster set in the first place was the lack of good cards in the
set besides Lost World, Pachirisu, Lost Remover, and Mr. Mime.
 
Wait, but we're talking about the CURRENT format. See title.

Tyranitar doesn't really work with a combo tbh. It CAN beat Machamp, it's just an unfavorable matchup. I can understand Mesprit and Umbreon, but it just doesn't work with an entire sage two line.
 
I run 4 T-Tar primes with 4 Spiritombs, and I dont find it slow at all. I DO NOT use BTS, and have 4 rare candies if I happen to need them, if I don't pull a Tomb on setup.

With 4 DCE's and 2 eBelts, I can pick off a Machamp deck a lot of the time.

You do need to come out swinging though
 
i actually dont like using starting pokemon in my t-tar deck
i find it makes the deck clunkier and gives your opponent a free prize

running straight 4 rare candies is more than enough for t-tar.
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i also like to use absol as a starter. finds it to be quite helpful in taking multiple KOs
 
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