Do you guys think that the new Latios and Latias EX will see play in modified as part of a (probably not-yet-existing) Tier 1 deck?
Latias and Latios EX
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I obviously have no idea how good these cards will be based on future cards or formats, but as of now, not at all. Latias EX doesn't stop too much, and anything that it does always has a counter to it anyway. The damage output is also pitiful. Latios EX has zero place in the format because the only good accelerator to it is Blastoise, which would just rather use Black Kyurem EX anyway.
I might see Latias in 1 or 2 decks. You could catcher in Elektrik, Fliptini, or another ability card, and then finish them off somewhat easily. However you opponent can just rush in with keldeo switch out to another Pokemon or use switch.
I would sOooo LUv to pull a Latias-EX from a pack!
There are flaws i see in Latias. Pokemon like Klinklang from Plasma storm don't attack but support with its ability. Also Darkrai-ex can just retreat with its ability.
I think its a good card for other Pokemon with ability's. It will Shut down Bouffalant (DREX110) that does 60+ 60 more dmg if the active pokemon is an -EX-
Note:fixed Plasma freeze klinklang typo to plasma storm
There are flaws i see in Latias. Pokemon like Klinklang from Plasma storm don't attack but support with its ability. Also Darkrai-ex can just retreat with its ability.
I think its a good card for other Pokemon with ability's. It will Shut down Bouffalant (DREX110) that does 60+ 60 more dmg if the active pokemon is an -EX-
Note:fixed Plasma freeze klinklang typo to plasma storm
Gusto83 said:
Yeah, not all pokemon are affected by latias, but elektrik is a popular one that can be taken advantage of.
No. Latias EX has so many things in this format that hit it: Thundurus, Kyurem, Black Kyurem, Rayquaza, Absol, Cobalion (both), etc. You don't win against anything, and Barrier Break is too weak to hold up on its own.
As for Latios, it's 100% outclassed by Black Kyurem in the only deck that could possibly use it. Another card to sit in the binder forever.
As for Latios, it's 100% outclassed by Black Kyurem in the only deck that could possibly use it. Another card to sit in the binder forever.
If Latias had a better attack (hitting the perfect 90 and affecting Resistance and Weakness) then it could get somewhere. It has low HP for an EX, and most attackers that utilize abilities already have a Pokemon that doesn't in the deck. The only thing would be Genesect/Virizion getting past it (I'm sure there is something though).
Teal said:
I Checked out the Latias-EX/Sigilyph/victini-EX deck and i see what he's doing.
The deck Build is not going after The Damage but the Cards that the other player will burn just to get a good hand. Latias-EX/Sigilyph/Victini deck will shut down almost anything.
Shut down anything...except nothing. Every deck has a way to handle both of those cards. Esa argues that Latias and Sigilyph each counter pieces of other decks; but it's going to work in reverse. Latias and Sigilyph are both terrible attackers, meaning the other deck's attackers that counter each one are just going to overrun them. Take a look:
Plasma: Kyurem OHKO's Latias and Sigilyph and Victini EX. This will literally just burn through the entire deck without a worry.
Blastoise: Black Kyurem EX murders Latias, and Blastoise can easily handle Sigilyph. Sure, they're both walled by the opposite Pokemon, but Blastoise can rotate attackers pretty easily through Keldeo.
Darkrai: Absol, and they can just spam Lasers. In reality, this deck is the only one that might actually lose to it, but that's one deck, ane evn then, Absol kinda destroys it.
Edit: Also, Victini EX can't accelerate to Sigilyph. lololol
Plasma: Kyurem OHKO's Latias and Sigilyph and Victini EX. This will literally just burn through the entire deck without a worry.
Blastoise: Black Kyurem EX murders Latias, and Blastoise can easily handle Sigilyph. Sure, they're both walled by the opposite Pokemon, but Blastoise can rotate attackers pretty easily through Keldeo.
Darkrai: Absol, and they can just spam Lasers. In reality, this deck is the only one that might actually lose to it, but that's one deck, ane evn then, Absol kinda destroys it.
Edit: Also, Victini EX can't accelerate to Sigilyph. lololol
Its gonna happen. I dont think itll happen with them together but seperately, i think someone will make each one of them near unstoppable.
Why would they work any better separately? Since every deck has a counter for both, neither work.
As a Klinklang player, I can tell you that locks don't work unless they're complete and absolute. Heck, I stared down one Victini during my entire Regionals run and proceeded to get demolished by it. All it takes is one counter to those cards, and they don't work. Since every deck has hard counters that demolish those, they simply can't be used reliably. A lock card can only be unstoppable if in reality no deck has anything they can do to stop it, which isn't the case here.
As a Klinklang player, I can tell you that locks don't work unless they're complete and absolute. Heck, I stared down one Victini during my entire Regionals run and proceeded to get demolished by it. All it takes is one counter to those cards, and they don't work. Since every deck has hard counters that demolish those, they simply can't be used reliably. A lock card can only be unstoppable if in reality no deck has anything they can do to stop it, which isn't the case here.
Someone at my League created a Latios deck that really worked. He paired it with Blastoise and Deoxys w/ Plasma Badge. So long as he got the cards he needed, he could do 170+ turn 2. Not the best deck in the world, by any means, but it actually worked.
I do hope that Latias will see a use one day. It has potential.
I do hope that Latias will see a use one day. It has potential.
Reggie McGigas said:
Eelektrik never attacks and I would rather OHKO it with my deck's main attacker (because every deck's main attacker does indeed OHKO it while Latias doesn't) the only Victini that I've heard of people using lately if the V-Create one which doesn't have an ability and is OHKOed by anything anyway. There are just about no other cards with abilities-Blastoise? Latias fails to OHKO which many other mons don't, then they get Blastoise out of the active position and OHKO with BKEX. Latias is trash because there are no mons with abilities that attack much and its attack is terrible. Latios just can't compare with BKEX and the only deck that would want the former can use the latter just as easily.
As a smash turn seismitoad cover. that'll keep you safe from abilities, but honestly I'd rather go with safeguard sigilyph for complete ex protection
Lol. I'm awesome. Just for fun decks for the win
Skulblaka_Shur said:
Lol. I'm awesome. Just for fun decks for the win
