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Lost Zone Lucario (HGSS-On)

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Card Slinger J

Aspiring Trainer
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Pokemon (22)

4-4 Lucario CoL
3-3 Gyarados HGSS/CoL
4 Relicanth CoL
2 Mew Prime
2 Absol Prime

Trainers/Supporters (26)

4 Pokemon Collector
4 Pokemon Communication
4 Professor Oak's New Theory
3 Pokemon Reversal
3 Switch
3 Energy Exchanger
3 Twins
2 Professor Elm's Training Method

Energies (12)

4 Double Colorless
4 Rainbow Energy
4 Rescue Energy

Deck Total: 60

Credit goes to Josh Bangle for the deck concept, this deck was severely underrated due to the popularity of LostGar in MD-On but now it has diminished as MewGar is this deck's only biggest threat.

As for the main strategy you basically send your own Pokemon to the Lost Zone with Relicanth's Prehistoric Wisdom attack, let it get KO'ed, and rush with Twins. Gyarados is a great line of defense in this deck as it can help counter Reshiram, Emboar (Ability), Donphan Prime, Krookodile, and other threats.

Lucario is of course in the deck for Dimension Sphere which does 30 damage plus 20 more damage for each of my Pokemon in the Lost Zone for a DCE and just for the lulls I could probably throw in Lost World as a win-con but I'm not sure If it's worth it. Comments, suggestions, and advice are greatly appreciated!
 
I think Bouffalant BW would be a good idea since you utilize DCE already, so why not tech in 2 Bouffalant and drop a Collector and an Oak for it? 4 Collector isn't needed, since you don't run any Pokemon, and 4 PONT is too much hand refresh.
 
I tryed running a deck similar to this,and found one HUGE flaw before I even completed it:what if you have to go against another Lost Zone deck and your opponent plays Lost World on you?By pputting cards in the lost world,you've made it easyer for them to win.
 
Red Striker said:
I tryed running a deck similar to this,and found one HUGE flaw before I even completed it:what if you have to go against another Lost Zone deck and your opponent plays Lost World on you?By pputting cards in the lost world,you've made it easyer for them to win.
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While that is true, Lost World, or Lostgar, rather, is not that popular (from what I've seen around the internet).
 
Gliscor said:
Red Striker said:
I tryed running a deck similar to this,and found one HUGE flaw before I even completed it:what if you have to go against another Lost Zone deck and your opponent plays Lost World on you?By pputting cards in the lost world,you've made it easyer for them to win.
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While that is true, Lost World, or Lostgar, rather, is not that popular (from what I've seen around the internet).
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we cant rlly tell which decks are gunna be popular till the new expansion comes out, its not even worth theorycrafting decks atm.
 
JayKam said:
Gliscor said:
Red Striker said:
I tryed running a deck similar to this,and found one HUGE flaw before I even completed it:what if you have to go against another Lost Zone deck and your opponent plays Lost World on you?By pputting cards in the lost world,you've made it easyer for them to win.
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While that is true, Lost World, or Lostgar, rather, is not that popular (from what I've seen around the internet).
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we cant rlly tell which decks are gunna be popular till the new expansion comes out, its not even worth theorycrafting decks atm.
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Yes, we can. Card Slinger's deck is HS-on, which will be the format starting July 1st. There are numerous amounts of players who have been testing the HS-on format, and from what I've seen, people haven't been looking into Lostgar.
 
Gliscor said:
JayKam said:
Gliscor said:
Red Striker said:
I tryed running a deck similar to this,and found one HUGE flaw before I even completed it:what if you have to go against another Lost Zone deck and your opponent plays Lost World on you?By pputting cards in the lost world,you've made it easyer for them to win.
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While that is true, Lost World, or Lostgar, rather, is not that popular (from what I've seen around the internet).
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we cant rlly tell which decks are gunna be popular till the new expansion comes out, its not even worth theorycrafting decks atm.
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Yes, we can. Card Slinger's deck is HS-on, which will be the format starting July 1st. There are numerous amounts of players who have been testing the HS-on format, and from what I've seen, people haven't been looking into Lostgar.
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well its more of lost-mew now since mew is speeder, and you cant account for all the counters till the new xpac is released. but one i can think of is Zekrom pachirisu deck, if it goes first it can one shot the relicanth right off the bat. and if you try to send pokemon into the lost zone insted of killing zekrom youll lose in the prize race, or if u spend time trying to kill zekrom insted of sending pokemon into the lost zone you wont have pokemon to send off or enough time to build up ur strat.

feels like too much prep work imo, in this format where everything is getting one shoted.
 
JayKam said:
well its more of lost-mew now since mew is speeder, and you cant account for all the counters till the new xpac is released.
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The next set, I presume? If so, this deck will be perfectly legal before the next set comes out. As for everything else, I thought we were discussing how this deck will fare against Lostgar, not Zekrom. While what you say is true, keeping at least one Zoroark in the Lost Zone (again, prize race would make this a risky play) would greatly improve the matchup with Mew. However, PlusPowers would be needed for that.
 
Gliscor said:
JayKam said:
well its more of lost-mew now since mew is speeder, and you cant account for all the counters till the new xpac is released.
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The next set, I presume? If so, this deck will be perfectly legal before the next set comes out. As for everything else, I thought we were discussing how this deck will fare against Lostgar, not Zekrom. While what you say is true, keeping at least one Zoroark in the Lost Zone (again, prize race would make this a risky play) would greatly improve the matchup with Mew. However, PlusPowers would be needed for that.
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yea prize race risky, but on the lost-mew match up, lost mew doesnt take prizes so this deck wont be using twins vs it, but lost-mew will. it would take 2-3 turns if u wanted to start one shotting mew with lucario since zoroark wont be able to do dmg and dont forget that mew would also be able to use the moves of pokemon in the lost zone so lost mew can get rid of lucario threats while also disrupting him. IMO still seems like to much setup, lucario doesnt have enough HP to make up the prize diff during set-up vs the new decks
 
Hardly anybody plays MewGar in my metagame, that's why this deck is safe for me to play for the most part however Red Striker is right about how Lost World can counter this deck easily but here's the thing. Just make sure you don't send more than 5 of your own Pokemon in the Lost Zone.

That way they can't win with Lost World and Absol Prime sends your own Pokemon to the Lost World since it's not a very effective counter against this deck anyway. Really besides MewGar this deck hardly has any effective counters against it other than Krookodile no thanks to Torment which can shutdown Dimension Sphere.
 
^Even if you keep it to just 5 pokemon in the lost zone,all the opponent has to do is send up Gengar Prime,knock out one pokemon,which will get sent to the LZ due to its pokebody,and you're done for.(I only know because I run a Lost World deck.)
 
I think you should replace 1-1 Zoroark for 2 Absol Prime. It counters Lostgar (or Mewgar) and allows you to put a Pokémon in the LZ.
 
Yeah good point, that way it gets around having to copy attacks with Zoroark's Foul Play since Gengar Prime hardly does any damage at all. I don't care If this deck only loses against Gengar Prime or MewGar, it's only one matchup anyway do you expect everybody to be running MewGar when the rest of the overall HGSS-On metagame are running different decks?

As for the Absol Prime's, without an extra 1-1 line of Zoroark that leaves me short of having a Zoroark available to use when I send either a Zorua and/or a Zoroark to my Lost Zone with either Relicanth or Mew Prime. Your idea might work Hagane, I'll have to test and see how it works though.
 
I agree with gliscor on this one. Lostgar is not going to be around much - it CAN win, but not often enough, especially when people can play all their stuff on their first turn.

Lost-Lock may be a good deck. It utilizes Mime Jr, Weavile and Slowking. However, if they get an attacker out fast enough, it can be bad.


Although this deck would be bad vs Lostgar in Hgss-on, i'm sure theres a tech you can run to counter it. There must be something you can dump into the lost zone with Mew that will let you one-shot a gengar prime (there are a lot of good cards, have to be at least one!
 
I used to run this deck, in MD on.
Was too slow, but now it has time to shine. If you're gonna run Mew, may as well run some Rainbow energy, and Pokemon with one energy attacks (Jumpluff being a good one, same with Umbreon)
Thus you throw in Pokemon you won't be needing, and you'll still get that extra attack.

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=92661

There's my MD-on list.

I think I may just take apart my LostGar and make this again. Hurm...
 
imo, i think lucario is too slow.
you have to lost zone 4 pokemon for it to do decent damage,
which by that point, other decks based off high attk stage 1's would outspeed you.


plus, lucario and mew both have LOW Hp.
youll need some other tech besides zoroark.
maybe put in a crobat prime to LZ, so u can use it with mew?
 
Jahikoi said:
Although this deck would be bad vs Lostgar in Hgss-on, i'm sure theres a tech you can run to counter it. There must be something you can dump into the lost zone with Mew that will let you one-shot a gengar prime (there are a lot of good cards, have to be at least one!
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Absol Prime, it can do 140 damage to Gengar Prime with only 2 energy attachments one being Dark and the other Colorless.

imo, i think lucario is too slow.
you have to lost zone 4 pokemon for it to do decent damage,
which by that point, other decks based off high attk stage 1's would outspeed you.


plus, lucario and mew both have LOW Hp.
youll need some other tech besides zoroark.
maybe put in a crobat prime to LZ, so u can use it with mew?
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You only need to Lost Zone at least 5 Pokemon to do 130 damage for only {C}{C} with Lucario using Dimension Sphere. That isn't too hard with Relicanth and Mew Prime doing that work while If they get KO'ed you can use Twins to get what you need. Early to mid game it shouldn't be that hard.

UPDATE: Made some huge changes to the decklist on this thread, tell me what you think so far...
 
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