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Lugia/Landorus

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Caledrith

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Lugia has always been one of my favorite pokemon, right behind Latios, and since Latios EX is awful, Lugia EX is going to be (hopefully), a vital part of my deck. Its been almost a full year since I last went to a tournament, so I have no clue what trainers I am going to put in my deck, so please give constructive advice.

Lugia EX - 2
Landorus EX - 3
Victini NV - 1
Mewtwo EX - 2

Professor Juniper - 4
N - 4
Bianca - 2
Skyla - 2
Colress - 2

Pokemon Catcher - 4
Switch - 2
Ultra Ball - 3
Scramble Switch - 1
Colress Machine - 4
Tool Scrapper - 1
Escape Rope - 2
Hypnotoxic Laser - 4
Virbank City - 2


Fighting Energy - 3
Double Colorless - 4
Plasma Energy - 4
Prism Energy - 4

Total - 60
 
LandorusEX and LugiaEX actually have some nice synergy, while you're charging lugia up, you can soften things with landorus so that Lugia can take an extra prize on everything. I'm not sure if we're getting shadow Triad in this set, but if we do it will work pretty well to recycle Plasma Energies, which you seem to have forgot.
+4 Plasma energy. This is above the suggestions because it's sort of a requirement with Lugia
Here are my suggestions, feel free to accept or ignore them based on your preferences.
-2 Bianca. I don't really like her too much.
-1 ShayminEX. ShayminEX is pretty much a one-off. Starting with it is terrible, but using it to pull off a surprise win is great.
-2 Ultra Ball. Flexibility over ease of search is good, but Landorus and Lugia have better search cards.
-2 Prism Energy. You already are running a lot of special energy, so I'd run some basic grass instead so you aren't as weak to enhanced hammer. Plus, grass energy on Landorus means that you don't have to discard it if you want a full powered Land's Judgement.

+1 Skyla. I do like her very much.
+3 Colress Machine. Free attachment of plasma energy to lugia. Nothin' wrong with that.
+3 Energy Switch. Lets you make Terrakion/ShayminEX plays out of nowhere
+2 Heavy Ball. Lets you pull out a terrakion or a Landorus for free, also lets you skyla for one.
+1 Plasma Ball. Lets you Skyla for Lugia.
+1 Energy Search. Lets you Skyla for Energy.
+1 DCE
+2 Grass Energy
 
Thanks so much for the advice, I can't believe I forgot to add the plasma energy.

I don't think I will do two things though. The first is dropping one Shaymin EX. It is my main counter to Keldeo EX, and I feel like having two is invaluable, just incase one is prized too. The second is a third DCE. If I am already weak to Hammertime, it will just make it worse, and Lugia is the only Pokemon who can utilize it, and I'm keeping a Shaymin.
 
Shaymin EX doesn't counter Keldeo EX. Even if you manage to OHKO Keldeo, another one can pop right up with three energy and OHKO Shaymin back. The main way to beat Keldeo is Mewtwo EX, although with the new Black Kyurem EX coming out it's harder to do than previously. This deck is going to have problems with Keldeo either way, but if you want to improve your matchup against it, take out the Shaymin EX's for Mewtwo EX.

I would suggest taking out the Shaymin either way though. It's an extremely fragile 2 prizes that is only going to help you in rare situations. With Hypnotoxic Laser coming out, Shaymin becomes scarily easy to KO.
 
So the new Black Kyurem EX is going to be coming out? I didn't know that it was confirmed, because that is pretty OP stuff.

Blah, what would you recommend to change/add to make this deck better besides removing the Shaymin EXs?
 
I don't think Lugia works particularly well at all, but I'll do my best to improve it.

- 2 Shaymin EX
- 2 Grass (no more Shaymin)
- 2 Shadow Triad (It might be cool to get back Plasma Energy, but Lugia isn't your main attacker and it uses up your supporter for the turn.)
- 2 Heavy Ball (I'm going to replace this with more Ultra Ball, as universal search is better than splitting up your search line.)
- 2 Energy Switch (I assume this was meant for Shaymin, but decks that don't have acceleration can't utilize this effectively. Still cool as a 1-of though.)
- 1 Fighting Energy (7 Fighting + Energy Search is fine, and I want more room for consistency cards)
- 1 Terrakion (You don't want to be using more than one of these in a game anyway because of the 7th prize rule. You also really don't want to start with it.)

+ 2 Ultra Ball (Universal search for more consistency)
+ 2 Bianca (14 Supporters is great for consistency)
+ 1 Colress Machine (Just to make sure you can get Lugia out when you need to.)
+ 2 Mewtwo EX (...just because :p. It's a great way to take out other Mewtwos and an overall good attacker if you're in a bind.)
+ 2 Double Colorless Energy (Mewtwo and Lugia can both use this, and it's hard to hit special energy if it's not maxxed out.)
+ 1 Landorus EX (It's your ideal starter, and if one gets prized, you don't want to put yourself in a bad spot when it gets KO'd.)
+ 2 Eviolite (You want to be able to tank hits with this as you're going to have a relatively slow setup compared to other decks.)
+ 1 Tool Scrapper (To make sure you can keep spreading with Landorus. Eviolites can give this deck a really hard time.)

As another note, Black Kyurem EX isn't confirmed, but based on the information that TPCi has given about the set, it's likely to be in it.
 
So you are saying that Lugia is bad, and there is no way to support it or use it in a better way? I honestly will probably switch to Black Kyurem once it comes out just because it also is a Pokemon I love, and it honestly is better than Lugia.

My main concern with adding the Mewtwos is making it a Mewtwo/Landorus deck, which is the reason why I didn't have Mewtwos from the start.

What is the 7th prize rule?
 
Caledrith said:
So you are saying that Lugia is bad, and there is no way to support it or use it in a better way? I honestly will probably switch to Black Kyurem once it comes out just because it also is a Pokemon I love, and it honestly is better than Lugia.

My main concern with adding the Mewtwos is making it a Mewtwo/Landorus deck, which is the reason why I didn't have Mewtwos from the start.

What is the 7th prize rule?
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I don't think making it a Mewtwo/Landorus deck would matter much, as long as the deck functions better with Mewtwo.

It's true that I don't think Lugia will have much success to due it's extreme downsides. 120 damage just isn't enough to get the job done in a lot of cases, and it's limited because it can only attack 4 times unless you're willing to sacrifice space for Shadow Triad. After Lugia gets KO'd, it's extremely difficult to charge up another one. On top of that, if Lugia ever became popular, Enhanced Hammer is a straight up 100% counter to it. I don't mean to hate on your deck, and I clearly can't say as a fact that Lugia is bad until tournaments get under way, I just don't see it doing well.

The 7th prize rule is the strategy that revolves around forcing your opponent to take 7 prizes. If your opponent KO's a non-EX, they'll get one prize, but if the only Pokemon left on your field are EX's they're still going to have to KO three EX's to win.
 
7th Prize Rule is definately fascinating, and useful.

I definately think that Lugia's attack is awful. The fact that it takes only two EXs to win in this EX heavy format is HUGE imo. That is why Landorus is such a good pair with it, as it can take prizes, and also soften up pokemon for a Lugia clean-up. Enhanced Hammer does destroy Lugia, but its not like they are going to be able to deal with it all the time.
 
I really would suggest at least one heavy ball as a skyla option.
One more thing, I'm not sure exactly how popular this deck will be, but you run into a plasma Klinklang deck and you're done. Plasma Klinklang essentially makes all metal type pokemon have sigilyph's ability. The deck I plan on running is an auto loss to it too, so I don't know of an easily splashable answer to it.
 
I think that PS Klinklang is a really good deck, and quite frightening. That is why I had two terrekions, although a victini NV could be a good counter.
 
This deck doesn't really have a way to beat Klinklang besides Terrakion. Bouffalant could help, but Cobalion EX's attack OHKO's it.
 
So basically the Strategy against that deck is to catcher any and all Klinks right? Also, any last comments on the deck?
 
Time to revive this list. I updated my deck list. Is Sigilyph still played at all? What in my deck needs fixing?
 
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