Finished Mafia LVII: Big Brother Betrayal: Game Over! Postgame Part 1 Up!
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Auto-death, sorry. I’ve been lynched first twice in a row and I don’t want to make it thrice.
This is very much not true. With inactivity, at least the active players can still scumhunt.
When someone is chaotic, it consumes discussion and prevents ALL PLAYERS from scumhunting. Last game is a perfect example: Zone's chaoticness forced at least 4 people to claim unnecessarily and it choked up the discussions that other active players were trying to have.
It gets things done for the mafians, but nothing for the town.
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK @GekkisaiDaiNi You were both mafians last game. What do you think about Vom's claim as bolded?
Sorry for the quadruple post, I'm corroborating what I read on the backlog and that's sparking new thoughts
Your reason for Violet is not indicative because Violet is playing this game because of BB, not mafia. They had little invested interest in the game from sign-up; they would (and have in the past) disappeared as either alignment.
If Nick is posting fluff, but so is Zone...? You argument for not selecting Zone contradicts your justification for selecting Nick.
Your reason for Violet is not indicative because Violet is playing this game because of BB, not mafia. They had little invested interest in the game from sign-up; they would (and have in the past) disappeared as either alignment.
From what I had input on in the first day we were worried about how Zone would affect us and that continued on through the entirety of the game. It’s incredibly difficult to account for Zone on both sides of the game and that’s general fact.
It does if you focus on it. I chose not to claim until a certain point, so did Nyora. By himself, Zone does not have enough influence to make anyone do anything. Even now, this whole argument is happening because you're set on policy lynching Zone That being said, it seems you, Blink and Celever have made up your minds.
Zone is not completely fluff tho. He's actually pressuring people and getting some reactions out of them.
I literally said we mislynched her last game for that reason and there was nothing damning about her play, it's precisely because she's not too invested that she could use a poke. Who would you nominate besides Zone?
Actually, I suppose if Zone is nominated it doesn't matter too much who the other nominee is at this point in the game. So it'd probably be Zone+mirdo now. Nick's posting more and at least cooperating, Jade made only one post but it seemed genuine, Gekki is around even if only to defend himself, so is Violet, and morda seems to be thinking about his actions.
On the other hand, mirdo literally said he chose to not read the thread. It doesn't matter too much since the other person in the chopping block is Zone, but an actual reason for choosing the other one is certainly better than a coin flip.
On the other hand, mirdo literally said he chose to not read the thread. It doesn't matter too much since the other person in the chopping block is Zone, but an actual reason for choosing the other one is certainly better than a coin flip.
I Love the word corroborating.
Not that i have any idea what it means. But i Love it nonetheless .
Another Thing that I Love is that you guys go apesheit cause i said im Not Reading 3 Pages of random pointless stuff so I could post anyway and contribute somewhat.
Well. I dont Think i did contribute. But I was atleast Posting something.
Btw. All this discussion isnt getting us Anywhere. We Need to Talk about who to nominate.
And The Choices for that are probably Zone and ... Yeah i guess mirdo.
I dont mind going up as a pawn if you want to get Zone out.
If I Need to put myself at Danger to prove my alignment . So be it.
Not that i have any idea what it means. But i Love it nonetheless .
Another Thing that I Love is that you guys go apesheit cause i said im Not Reading 3 Pages of random pointless stuff so I could post anyway and contribute somewhat.
Well. I dont Think i did contribute. But I was atleast Posting something.
Btw. All this discussion isnt getting us Anywhere. We Need to Talk about who to nominate.
And The Choices for that are probably Zone and ... Yeah i guess mirdo.
I dont mind going up as a pawn if you want to get Zone out.
If I Need to put myself at Danger to prove my alignment . So be it.
I just ISO'd Nick and I can't see this supposed lack of contribution or 'fluff'; I see a very different picture.
These are Aqua's first three posts. The first two are direct attempts at scumhunting and brought new ideas / thoughts to the conversation. The third was encouragement that comes from an innocent perspective.
The remainder four or five posts are responses to other people's questions, including a reads list and responding to percieved contradictions of said list. The reads list is simple, sure, but remember that Celever only wanted a "picture" of Aqua's reads, not an analysis.
@Vom, What post(s) of Aqua's made you suspicious of him?
@Geyde, If you were HoH, who would you nominate today?
Pressure on Zone, who raised Aqua's suspicions for dumbtelling: Zone was thinking shallow, he underestimated bbn, or he poorly interpreted bbn.
Sharp on the uptake: Blinkey gave an 'easy' read on Zone and Aqua didn't let him get away with it. This shows that Aqua is actively and critically thinking about the game.
Aqua wants to develop not just reads, but informed and more accurate reads. Again, Aqua is actively trying to scumunt.
The remainder four or five posts are responses to other people's questions, including a reads list and responding to percieved contradictions of said list. The reads list is simple, sure, but remember that Celever only wanted a "picture" of Aqua's reads, not an analysis.
In fact, this is the only post that is particularly scummy imo as pointed out by Geyde, and it's not because it's lacking contribution or is 'fluff'.
@Vom, What post(s) of Aqua's made you suspicious of him?
@Geyde, If you were HoH, who would you nominate today?
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK What are your "insights" on the "group as a whole" now that Gekki has made clearer his position?
It just means to compare what people say in the past and in the present, and see what's consistent and what isn't. If someone argues a point that doesn't make sense based on other information, then you start raising questions.
If you couldn't nominate yourself, who would you nominate as a second person?
Okay, so my logic is garbage. ...so? What about it? No argument, no reads, just talks?
Then stop talking to me and make more reads already!
1. I like that video.
2. I really, reeeeaally wonder: After getting rid of me, will you all "find your beloved peace, undisturbed by the entity that is me"? I mean, I LITERALLY wasted everyone's whole first week by simply existing as myself. I wonder: Who will go after me? The pacifist, the nihilist or the scapegoat?
Uh... For the record, that was only because I was TI, and was in a Neighborhood. Using that meta to defend me in a BB Mountainous game is basically asking to get suspected.
*drags Violet down with me*
I have been dragged multiple times by multiple people in the past to go actively scumhunt and make reads.
If I have suffered, then I will make you suffer as well.
/FoS Violet
What you wrote is literally the game mechanics. Nothing about it is game dynamics nor aesthetics. In other words: You are saying zilch about other players.
/FoS Violet even more
Yep, and guess how that game ended. You should know it: You were the host.
#bestdecisions2019
Yes it is. So now I wonder: Why are you all interacting with me, focusing your thoughts about me, rather than ignoring me? Have I become so irresistable that you have to forget about everyone else~? About your fellow members who want to policy lynch me, are they 100% not susp for pointing their fingers at me~?
Add Geyde to that list. That makes it 4 people, which is basically 33% of everyone already. Well then: Can you feel the pressure? Are you ready to give in? I know you are. I would too, after all.
This part -despite me not liking it, A LOT- makes sense. However...
...this part, does NOT make sense. Agreeing to be a nominee is in NO way a way to proof your alignment. Especially when I am the first nominee.
(Well then I wonder whether they know that I wrote this knowing that they have been talking about Nick. ...still, why are they not talking more about themselves? How come I have the feeling as if there is a hierarchy of "active people" who look down upon "inactive people"?)
@bbninjas it was his posting as a whole (or lack thereof) rather than individual posts. You do raise valid points about his first posts, but that last one was pretty much echoing Celever. Eh, actually they were 3 minutes apart so he may or may not have seen Cel's post. Even if he didn't see it, he proceeded to not follow his own request (even up until this point). His read list is a thing, sure, but it was a response to Celever calling Nick out on his own post since until that point Nick had not given thoughts on anyone besides Zone, who Nick himself considers easy to read ("everyone is comfortable metareading him").
Like you said, his other posts have been responses to people. Obviously responding to people is good, but in doing so Nick avoided giving thoughts on potential nominees both times where I said I was thinking about nominating x and y (even when it was himself), and when I directly asked him about what he thought about being nominated, he chose to AtE rather than argue about other potential nominees or otherwise defend himself. I don't like that his go-to is AtE. This did happen after my initial tentative nomination tho, at least the specific AtE bit. But Nick hasn't commented on much and it's not a lack of material as others have been doing so. Just answering questions is enough so that people get an image when they see the name instead of thinking 'oh, I forgot he existed'.
Well, T minus 45 minutes. I'll wait a bit more if somehow someone is awake, but otherwise I'll be nominating Zone+mirdo.
Like you said, his other posts have been responses to people. Obviously responding to people is good, but in doing so Nick avoided giving thoughts on potential nominees both times where I said I was thinking about nominating x and y (even when it was himself), and when I directly asked him about what he thought about being nominated, he chose to AtE rather than argue about other potential nominees or otherwise defend himself. I don't like that his go-to is AtE. This did happen after my initial tentative nomination tho, at least the specific AtE bit. But Nick hasn't commented on much and it's not a lack of material as others have been doing so. Just answering questions is enough so that people get an image when they see the name instead of thinking 'oh, I forgot he existed'.
Well, T minus 45 minutes. I'll wait a bit more if somehow someone is awake, but otherwise I'll be nominating Zone+mirdo.
I mean. If we are sure that Zone should go. Then some sort of Pawn should go up. And that could be anyone. I believe it's too early for me to throw suspecion on to anyone specific just yet. Im just kinda costing along until I have my own conclusions. (Can't wait till someone takes this as a super obvious mafia tell and that im definitly bad 100% proof)
Ofc im not gonna be bullet proof against any suspecions afterwards. But it's *something*. Gotta make yourself useful somehow.
Gullbot 2000 over and out.
@NinjaPenguin I'll nominate ZoneQ11 and mirdo.
Week 1 Eviction
@Zone Q11 and @mirdo have been nominated for eviction, and since this is an odd-numbered week, we will be immediately moving into the vote and eviction. Everybody else has the next 24 hours to discuss with their fellow houseguests, make their decision about which of these two houseguests to evict and to PM me their vote to evict. The player with more votes to evict will be immediately evicted from the house.As HoH, Vom will only vote in the case of a tie.
Additionally, a live competition has been scheduled for Sunday, March 17th, at 8:00 PM EST. It will last no more than 20 minutes. Please, along with your vote, PM me if you will be available then. If anybody is unavailable then, the competition will instead take place over 36 hours.
P.S.
The following players need to post at least once in the next 24 hours to meet the activity requirements for the week (this isn't a warning or anything, just giving you all the numbers to keep in mind):
Needs at least one more post:
@mirdo
Needs at least two more posts:
@mordacazir
Needs at least three more posts:
@GekkisaiDaiNi
Needs at least four more posts:
@Jadethepokemontrainer
@mirdo
Needs at least two more posts:
@mordacazir
Needs at least three more posts:
@GekkisaiDaiNi
Needs at least four more posts:
@Jadethepokemontrainer
JCMaxwell has requested to sub out. I'm currently in the process of contacting the subs to see if they are available to sub in right now, and a replacement will sub in at the end of the week.
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You seem to be trying hard to show that Nick is still scummy, Vom, because you're making quite nuance / subtle arguements to justify your position (see italics). Would you agree with that assessment? If so, why are you so set on showing Nick to be scum; and if you disagree, why are continuing to present counter-arguements instead of just conceding?
I also have underlined the arguements that I think most people have done or would do at some point in this game but are not indicative.
Commenting on the AtE because it seems to be central to your arguement; Aqua answered the question you asked, which is apparently different to the question you meant. You asked what he felt (i.e. his emotions!) about being nominated, and so Aqua answered with his feelings (that he doesn't want to be lynched Day 1 for the third time in a row) as expected.
The "not given thoughts on anyone beside Zone" is also false. Post 1: he pressured Zone and considered Violet worthy of a HoH vote. Post 2: he called out Blinkey. Post 3: Asked Gekki to provide more content. Post 4: Gave a reads list as requested. Post 5, 6, 7: Answers questions about himself, which did not give the opportunity to "give thoughts on anyone". You could argue that Aqua should have taken the initiative; but did he take the initiative in his first posts? So Aqua takes initiative sometimes, and sometimes he doesn't. Sounds no different to anyone else tbh.
The problem is that not everyone is sure.
Again, if you were forced to pick someone for HoH, who would you pick?
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