Finished Mafia XLV: Heroes of Askr ~ The Winner Is...
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I only take the relevant bits out of a post. Not to take things out of context, but because anyone paying attention to the game should know the context anyway and it saves reading time.
I've been misquoting since before you were born, sonny.
I don't think mirdo is playing this time.
May I say that, while scum were able to manipulate that, that wasn't the main reason he was lynched, from just pure manipulation. A big reason he was lynched was because he had blatantly said he'd chosen to play a passive game. Passive players (players who are quiet, don't bring new ideas to the table, kinda useless in general) are scummy because of the lack of their activity, and the lack of potential ideas and scum hunting. When he blatantly said he was a passive player, sure it was a rookie mistake, but it's a completely justified reason for even town to start suspecting him, despite him being somewhat new.
You're also kind of acting in a way that new players should just be left alone in terms of pressure and reactions and just watch in the beginning. Let me tell you why that is stupid. They need to learn by trial and error and actually play the game, interact with other players. I really don't like the idea of leaving new players alone for this very reason, because they never will learn how to get good if they don't have any actual interactions with people. Pressure is a good thing in general, and I think it's quite stupid to just leave newbies alone giving them a free pass into D2, without them showing signs of either serious newbie confusion or townie behavior. You need pressure for interactions and responses from the people garnering votes, otherwise you have no idea what's going through their heads. Pressure is heavily used in scum hunting for all players, and is a huge part of getting a reaction. Without reactions, this game doesn't work. That's the entire point, new players should not be excused from that just because they're new, especially in a game like this with a lot of players new to the forum mafia scene. We need their reactions just as much as everyone else's. Pressure helps us do that.
I feel like I just wrote a paper >_<
You're also kind of acting in a way that new players should just be left alone in terms of pressure and reactions and just watch in the beginning. Let me tell you why that is stupid. They need to learn by trial and error and actually play the game, interact with other players. I really don't like the idea of leaving new players alone for this very reason, because they never will learn how to get good if they don't have any actual interactions with people. Pressure is a good thing in general, and I think it's quite stupid to just leave newbies alone giving them a free pass into D2, without them showing signs of either serious newbie confusion or townie behavior. You need pressure for interactions and responses from the people garnering votes, otherwise you have no idea what's going through their heads. Pressure is heavily used in scum hunting for all players, and is a huge part of getting a reaction. Without reactions, this game doesn't work. That's the entire point, new players should not be excused from that just because they're new, especially in a game like this with a lot of players new to the forum mafia scene. We need their reactions just as much as everyone else's. Pressure helps us do that.
I feel like I just wrote a paper >_<
1) You actually said Neuro was suspicious for being on Discord but not here. You're now saying an opinion that was almost identical to your own is ridiculous and stupid? You literally made a point about Neuro, a new player in your eyes, less than 2 hours ago. Calling out someone for inactivity is such a ridiculous stretch right now, since the game just began. Here's the quote:
2) This reads as really aggressive and unnecessarily sarcastic. Potentially defensive, but I'm not sure.
That's bad reading. The RVS vote that actually ended up killing Nebby that game was me pointing out the OMGUS.
Vote for attention. Neuro's less likely to skim the post when he sees that he's been voted in it.
I don't share read on #2, but I otherwise agree with this (especially the new player rant). Also, #1 certainly merits responding to.
Makes sense.
Lol you're saying it's bad to vote for someone because of inactivity this early in the game, when like 10 minutes after the day started you said this:
Also, I didn't actually *vote* for Neurowolf, unlike Blakers did. Neurowolf was also viewing the thread for like 20 minutes and not saying anything, so I thought I'd try to get him to start talking by mentioning something I thought was strange that he was doing. As to the "Rant On New Player Treatment", I would like to say, again, that I never said new players shouldn't be pressured at all, I just thought it was odd that both got RVSed and I was noticing it. You also said that I was acting like new players shouldn't be pressured at all, then as soon as you finished saying that, you started picking apart the small amount of pressure that I actually did put on him. Your entire post contradicts itself.
I forgot to mention the fact that you said it was bad to think that new players shouldn't be pressured. Slide that in between these two sentences:
This is very different from what you're implying, actually pointing out they're scummy. What I did is actually something people normally do, it's nothing out of the norm. Check literally any past game, you RVS random people who haven't spoken yet to get them to talk, at least in those very first hours of D1. It is not the same as calling someone out for inactivity, at all. This is a stretch.
What is contradictory about what I've said? I say the whole idea of not putting pressure on newer players is bad, then I pick apart your pressure for a reason that has nothing to do with him being a new player, it actually has more to do with your past posts than anything.
Again, yes I say I think it's bad to leave new players alone, then I pick apart your pressuring for a reason that has literally nothing to do with what I was talking about before.
Yeah I don't buy that. What's wrong with tagging?
It seems contradictory because you say that it's a good thing to pressure new players, but then you start picking apart the one little piece of pressure I put on Neuro, even though you did have other reasoning. The difference between my little poke at Neuro and Blaker's RVS is that I was curious why he was watching the thread but not saying anything, and basically just a little bit annoyed by the fact that he was using Discord but not responding to the thread. Then, he gave me an adequate response, and I dropped it. Blakers RVSed Nebby with a bad reason and it snowballed into a lynch. I was just asking Neuro a question. I said what I said earlier because I didn't want a repeat of the Nebby lynch, and I don't think that me asking Neuro a question could turn into a lynch, unlike the RVS aimed at Nebby.
I've read some of the past games, but I haven't seen any cases of this, maybe I just missed it?
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Whoa whoa whoa that's pretty much exactly the reaction anyone who RVSes hopes to achieve. I know you've played in games with RVS before; surely you're aware of it. ##VOTE: RAINYMAN123
Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree. Y'all might wanna check the definition of "pressure"––what Lordo said was incredibly tame compared to what pressure usually looks like, and what it's meant to do. There's very little chance of "welcome to forum WW" snowballing into a lynch. I don't much like the reasoning of "hey get postin'" when the member in question hasn't been on yet, but hey.
Don't like this much. Yes Gekki's reaching; no that's not a scumtell this early in the game with a newish player accustomed to Discord WW. Also it's almost impossible to shut down conversation during RVS.
It's a bad thing if you really don't want a specific player to be lynched at this stage in the game.
I can see NP's point here––which is that Gekki's being hyperconscious of how he appears to the rest of the town, which has been used as a scumtell in the past. We've seen lynches built off less.
No it doesn't.
Please respond to the first of Lordo's points in the post you quoted.
SM think its a valid case for the first few hours of day 1? Do you think the same here? Because its pretty much the same problem.
This is a good reason.
Why? Why? Have ever tried to use pokebeach on your phone?
He's a new player and he probably doesn't even know what omgus is.
Sorry for this, but I just wanted to make a point that it's a stupid idea. And no, @NinjaPenguin , omgus from a new player isn't what I call good reasoning for a lynch.
Saying that you get ninjad isn't really defending in my opinion. And how is he shutting down some conversation?
Pressuring a new player, the best way to lynch townies day 1.
##vote: Ninjapenguin
Little bit of fluff but I guess it's okay?
@quakingpunch73 @bbninjas I don't know if the thread should have sign-ups when it already started
I have some more things I want to say something about, but this should be the most imoortant stuff. (Dont have a lot of time rn)
##VOTE: NinjaPenguin ok so I think it's a bad idea to vote on the first day. Maybe wait until we get a chance to use our abilities that reveal info on each other before coming to a final conclusion. I would vote Nebby because he is being inactive, but NP voted me for an obsoletely pointless reason. I'll probably not stick with this vote or not vote at all, but I'm just going to vote NP for now. Sorry for the weird vote NP, I'm just feeling a lot of pressure from you. Once again, I'm probably not going to vote at all until I get more info on a few people. When we use abilities, can one of you use a seeing ability on me to confirm I'm good? Thanks! Homecoming sucked and I was alone again eating custard in the corner, thanks for asking.
The first thing I notice about this is "Oh wait I can't read that you just said it was an observation". It seems too panicked and backpedal-y and I don't like it, especially coming from someone experienced. Then, he votes for Neurowolf without giving a reason and segues to asking him if he's read any past games. If he wanted Neurowolf to start talking, like he said here:
Why couldn't he have just tagged Neuro and asked him what he thought? I agree that voting for someone is an effective way to force someone into talking, but it's barely the beginning of D1, and there are less active people than Neuro right now (@lugia_Likes2dab!, @Blob55 (although she did say she'd be gone for the weekend). As to this second post, he litterally does nothing except give a shaky reason for voting Neuro, echo Lorde, and exhort me to write a reply (which, BTW, I was while you said this, NP :U). It's very fluffy.
Where the heck do you get that from these?!:
Note that I said the same thing to Jade when he RVSed Lugia, and the fact that I was just observing that both of the new players had gotten RVSed and I thought it could be a sign of scum trying to take advantage of them, and that I later pressured Neuro a little bit with this:
So you're saying give the scum a free night kill? Nty.
I love it. If you think that way- you should participate and try to gather information as much as possible in order to have a D2 lead. If you don't- then your philosophy is useless. So that is very scummy. Also similar thing was posted by scum in one of the previous games here, and he was inactive. (Haunted Water iirc)
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE:Neurowolf
Also wanted to add that that request for protection has a very big general "role fishing" vibe.
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