Discussion Must-Haves from BreakPoint

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So BreakPoint is an amazing set with A LOT of broken cards. So I am making this list to tell you what you will want to buy from BreakPoint and in what quantities. I will also rank the cards on a scale of 1-10. Please leave your placings in the comments.

1x Espeon-EX----- 7
1x Manaphy-EX----- 7
4x Reverse Valley----- 6
4x Time Puzzle----- 9
1x Psychic's Mind Reading----- 7
3x Misty's Determination----- 9
3x Max Potion----- 8
4x Max Ether----- 9
4x Fighting Fury Belt----- 10
3-2-3x Garchomp Line----- 7
2-2x Garbodor Line----- 8
3x Palkia-EX----- 7
3-2-3x Golduck Break Line----- 6
3x Durant----- 7


Thanks!



Sorry I've been writing so much this is probably my last one.
 
One thing to start off:
Misty's is bad (at least I believe). Your ONE draw supporter to get one more card? Yeah, this might help in NM or Vespi, but why wouldn't you just sycamore? It is just one of any card, I get it, but I still don't think it's good.

Also, Garchomp is a stage 2. No room for it right now, and still seems just so meh. Maybe 3 for maxies?
Durant? No. With all the special hate, and the 60 hp with damage makes it too frail. Houndoom is already better.
I don't understand the hype with palkia. Simply to much energy and not enough payout.
Golduck: Still a stage 2. Meh, I don't believe. Archies potenial?

Breakpoint is quite a weak set.
 
socery said:
One thing to start off:
Misty's is bad (at least I believe). Your ONE draw supporter to get one more card? Yeah, this might help in NM or Vespi, but why wouldn't you just sycamore? It is just one of any card, I get it, but I still don't think it's good.

Also, Garchomp is a stage 2. No room for it right now, and still seems just so meh. Maybe 3 for maxies?
Durant? No. With all the special hate, and the 60 hp with damage makes it too frail. Houndoom is already better.
I don't understand the hype with palkia. Simply to much energy and not enough payout.
Golduck: Still a stage 2. Meh, I don't believe. Archies potenial?

Breakpoint is quite a weak set.
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I don't know. We already got a good tool in Fighting Spirit Belt, and Manaphy is looking like a pretty solid support card for Water decks and Giratina decks. With how Time Puzzle works, Yveltal/Gallade decks could probably make it work, and it will definitely be appreciated by Dark decks in Expanded and hated by everyone else. Garchomp is...okay, I guess. It's got some nice moves, but being a Stage 2, like you said, is going to make it hard to use. Sure, it could use the Korrina + Rare Candy combo, but that's precious space.
 
Seed of anxiety Trevenant could be a nice one of in Gengar-EX Trevenant as well as Trevenant Break
 
I'm not sold on Durant. The first attack only mills one card. The second attack is a little more notable, as it can mill four cards, but requires two Energy and Durant needs to have at least one damage counter on it. You might be able to accomplish that with something like Team MAgma's Secret Base, but this comes at the cost of other, potentially more useful Stadiums. I'd be wanting to play Durant with Vileplume, which would require running Forest of Giant Plants,, thus creating a conflict between two critical points in the strategy. The other issue is the Energy cost. Requiring a Grass and a Colorless means it will take two turns to power up, and with just 70 HP, you can expect to to be Knocked Out pretty easily. This makes Durant difficult to stream, and you'll need to be attacking every turn to ensure your can deck your opponent out before they take all their Prizes. You will be running some Energy denial cards here, but plenty of decks can get around that. Durant NVI worked because it only needed one Energy to attack, and was a lot easier to set up, especially when some of the HGSS era cards were still legal. Garbodor might help in stopping Ability-based Energy acceleration, but there's just not enough support for a deck like this to work in Standard. Without Sableye DEX and/or Life Dew, stopping your opponent is more of a challenge.
 
I would also note that Slowking is a very interesting card that may eventually make it's way into decks like Crawdaunt from Primal Clash. Every turn, a 50% chance to move an energy onto a shaymin / jirachi seems to have great potential :)
 
GengarGuys said:
So BreakPoint is an amazing set with A LOT of broken cards. So I am making this list to tell you what you will want to buy from BreakPoint and in what quantities. I will also rank the cards on a scale of 1-10. Please leave your placings in the comments.

1x Espeon-EX----- 7
1x Manaphy-EX----- 7
4x Reverse Valley----- 6
4x Time Puzzle----- 9
1x Psychic's Mind Reading----- 7
3x Misty's Determination----- 9
3x Max Potion----- 8
4x Max Ether----- 9
4x Fighting Fury Belt----- 10
3-2-3x Garchomp Line----- 7
2-2x Garbodor Line----- 8
3x Palkia-EX----- 7
3-2-3x Golduck Break Line----- 6
3x Durant----- 7


Thanks!



Sorry I've been writing so much this is probably my last one.
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Espeon 6.5 seems good in decks that can't ohko megas, which there are a lot of, so they run 1-2 of espeon and snipe kill the megas by forcing them to devolve, and also thus filling your opponent's hand with useless cards which can't be used to evolve anything

Manaphy 8 something tells me that the lack of retreating for decks like tyrantrum giratina etc will love this because their DDE becomes a near float stone that they can also use a muscle band with

Reverse Valley 2 is there even a legitimate use for this? Maybe Darkrai decks???

Time Puzzle 12 I'll take 20, this might make battle compressor a mandatory 1-2 of in the decks that use 4 of this, you use a battle compressor and 2 time puzzle and boom, you have a computer search for 2 cards.

Psychic mind reading 4 I see potential in this card, but there's not really much of it

Misty's 8-9 I can see this being a 1 of in some decks

Max potion 7 Really good, especially with golduk break if it becomes a thing, however asides from Mega Scizor and Primal Kyogre I can't think of many decks that could afford to lose energy that much

Max Ether 13 I am preordering 8 of these because there's so much use for them, seriously as long as you have something with free retreat active you can easily get t1 Palkia EX in the new Water decks with primal kyogre.

Fighting Fury Belt 8 something needs to replace muscle band post rotation

Garchomp, no one is going to use the line, only garchomp + maxie's + strong energy and fighting stadium, this will be rediculously good unless espeon EX catches on.

Garbodor 8.5 it will be interesting to see how people use this in such a VERY different format than BCR on, I do however know it will be evil as it shuts down bronzong, bats, and zoroark....wow, we're screwed when this comes out.

Palkia EX 15 It's water type Virizion EX for 2 water....in a set where that is no longer that hard to pull off due to max elixir, this plus primal kyogre will easily be the BDIF soon as it doesn't rely on abilities, uses items well, but it's not going to die the second vileplume hits the stage, and is quite versatile. I am preordering as many of these as my wallet will allow with Manaphy.
 
I agree with most choices here. I always buy singles. Here is what I'm likely to pre-order. Note that there are a lot of other good cards in this set that I'm not buying. I simply have no intention to use them.

Fighting Fury Belt (4x) - This meta is focused on hitting at least 180 damage, and 200+ if possible to take out Mega evolutions. This tool has the potential to change this. We are going to see some fearsome basics... or a lot of head ringers/startling megaphone.

Max Elixir (4x) - You want to attack first or not?

All Night Party Deck - I don't think the new Darkrai EX has a very good arsenal of attacks. Healing 30 damage and healing the status condition sleep using the new stadium sounds pretty good though. Also with Dark Patch in expanded you could create a strong stream of attackers. And it is my second favourite Pokemon so I should definitely consider this combination at some point.

Garchomp - I see absolutely no problem getting it out with Maxie's Hidden Ball Trick. Its attacks are devastating.
Empoleon Master said:
Garchomp, no one is going to use the line, only garchomp + maxie's + strong energy and fighting stadium, this will be rediculously good unless espeon EX catches on.
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Actually when you play a Pokemon using Maxie or Archie it doesn't count as an evolved Pokémon, simply because it didn't evolve. It is still a stage 2 though because that is what the card states.

Time Puzzle sounds too risky to play. I was optimistic at first. But now I'll just wait and see if it will have any success in competitive play.

Misty... oh well. there are better search or draw options. Not even very good as a tech card I think.
 
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