N vs Professor Birches Observations
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It is worth it to help get more draw support in a deck but not as a substitute for N. N should be played as a 4 of in almost every deck in my opinnion because it not only draws you cards but it also disrupts your oppenent as well. Yes PBO can occasionally get you more cards but it requires a flip which makes it less reliable.
I wouldn't run it over N, for a couple reasons. Obviously, N is better early game because you're guaranteed for 5/6 cards, but I don't think that's what N is used for. N is used to force my opponent to shuffle in. Make them go find the Lysandre again, take their 8 card hand and put it down to 4, etc. That's something PBO can't duplicate.
I *would* however, consider playing it if I was running Shauna in a deck. I don't, atm, because I like colress way way more, but pretend that I was. I think PBO's potential 2-card upside compared to only a 1-card downside makes it worth it, but that's just me. Again, I don't play Shauna in any decks because I think Colress is much better, but if you are playing Shauna, consider PBO over this card instead.
I *would* however, consider playing it if I was running Shauna in a deck. I don't, atm, because I like colress way way more, but pretend that I was. I think PBO's potential 2-card upside compared to only a 1-card downside makes it worth it, but that's just me. Again, I don't play Shauna in any decks because I think Colress is much better, but if you are playing Shauna, consider PBO over this card instead.
Like people have said before me I don't think the question is N vs Professor Birches Observations but Shauna vs Professor Birches Observations. N serves a different purpose in most decks than just drawing and that would be disrupting your opponent. A high count of N is almost required now.
I'm echoing the sentiments of those above me - however, it can be played alongside Sycamore in XY-on (assuming we get no rerelease/new version of N/Colress), so that may be an application in the future.
The only decks that are really helped by using PBO over N are decks that don't like their opponent getting a fresh hand. The only one that comes to mind right now is Exeggutor though. Also, if for whatever reason you're running Delphox (It's actually a fun card to play with), PBO is nice because you either get 7, or you get 4, and draw up to 6 (after using anything you can first of course).
Yeah, N is just too good. The only decks that I could see not running 4 N (outside of some weird hand disruption/mill deck) is Mega Gardevoir, as that doesn't let opponents take prizes as easily, but even there, I wouldn't run any less than 3.
That said, I don't think PBO is a bad choice if you need extra/alternate draw supporters.
That said, I don't think PBO is a bad choice if you need extra/alternate draw supporters.
THIRTEEN said:
I think I've got that in my area - I rarely see it, but also possibly due to it being expensive.
Heck, players prefer Tierno over any draw card cause you keep your hand >.>
Some people don't even player Juniper...
The draw engine I see is mainly Birches, Shaunas and Tiernos, or the decks that actually win use Juniper, VS Seeker, N/Shauna/Birch and Colress.
I always play 4 N. Always. And to those people, I even suggest that I may trade them my extra copies of N( I have like, two/three spare playsets) on the cheap, for non-played exs for my collection and they refuse cuz "N is bad" or "N will rotate out later this year" (same goes for Skyla/Max Potion)
I remember finding copies of N online pretty cheap; I guess it depends where you buy cards from.
In a deck that doesn't benefit a whole lot from running Skyla or Colress, I could see their Supporter lineup focusing on 4 each of Juniper, N and Birch. 12 Supporters that can get you an average of 6 cards each. I don't know what that deck would be offhand, but I'm sure something could use a list like that.
CruelBear said:
Alternatively, Juniper/Colress/Birch if you're running a deck that's focused on picking up KOs and fast.