Discussion Pal Pad...What?

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Online always brings some of the most interesting concepts. Anyways, I was playing online last night against Manetric/Regice deck and what I thought the most interesting thing about this deck is that he used Pal Pad.
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http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/xy-series/xy2/92/

The deck was locked so I couldn't get the exact list but one of things I caught him using was a recycling of Xerosic and Lysandre with Pal Pad. It appeared he used the standard 3 to 4 line of VS Seeker and the standard 3 to 4 line of Trainers Mail. But from what I could tell the deck held 2 pal pads in it. With battle compressor, Trainers Mail, VS Seeker and Pal Pad it almost seamed like he had an endless supply of Lysanders and Xerosic.

Fascinated by this kind of play, I tried the deck following the game and only ran 7 supporters. The least amount of supporters I every ran. I went 2/4. Though, one of the game I dead drew on. What I'm wondering is if anyone has ever worked with the card and the best trainers to play it with?
 
I play it in my Vileplume deck so that I can get more supporters back when I AZ or don't have Vileplume set up yet
 
It does seem like a decent thing to have in your deck if you run 3/4 of any supporters (Sycamore/Shauna/Birch/Juniper), as you don't really need any more than 1 in your discard with VS Seeker.
 
NintendoAlian said:
I play it in my Vileplume deck so that I can get more supporters back when I AZ or don't have Vileplume set up yet
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Do you run it with a full line of 4 trainers mail and VS Seekers?

MarshalBry said:
It does seem like a decent thing to have in your deck if you run 3/4 of any supporters (Sycamore/Shauna/Birch/Juniper), as you don't really need any more than 1 in your discard with VS Seeker.
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Those were my thoughts too. It appears to be a very good play.
 
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Running battle compressor is good and all to get supporter's out but having an option of drawing into them late game for use is a fairly strong idea having more access to options outside of drawing just a VS seeker or banking on drawing 1 card out of 20.
 
Pre-VS Seeker times, I used Pal Pad in all my decks. Now with VS Seeker, I tend not to use Pal Pad at all because VS Seeker provides immediate access to and use of the discarded Supporter. Whereas with Pal Pad, the discarded Supporter(s) are just recovered and reshuffled into the deck; so, one then needs to wait until you can draw into and use the Supporter.

It seems to me that the choice between Pal Pad and/or VS Seeker one makes to use again boils down to personal choice and game situation perhaps.

Personally even now with all the potential Item-locking capabilities, there is another alternative I'd use before Pal Pad: Bunnelby (PRC 121).

 
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TuxedoBlack said:
Pre-VS Seeker times, I used Pal Pad in all my decks. Now with VS Seeker, I tend not to use Pal Pad at all because VS Seeker provides immediate access to and use of the discarded Supporter. Whereas with Pal Pad, the discarded Supporter(s ) are just recovered and reshuffled into the deck; so, one then needs to wait until you can draw into and use the Supporter.

It seems to me that the choice between Pal Pad and/or VS Seeker one makes to use again boils down to personal choice and game situation perhaps.

Personally even now with all the potential Item-locking capabilities, there is another alternative I'd use before Pal Pad: Bunnelby (PRC 121).
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I don't personally think Pal Pad and VS Seeker can be compared as two cards with the same function or "one or the other" cards (i.e. Birch and Shauna); Pal Pad is good for thickening your deck late-game a bit (though if you just intend more cards in the deck, Energy Recycler, Super Rod and Sacred Ash are probably better) whereas VS Seeker is good for "pick a supporter you've had and use it again".
 
What was curios about the deck is that the player was using Trainers Mail with battle compressor and VS Seeker. And from what I could tell the players was using less supporters in his deck, but oddly playing more them -- if that makes any sense.
 
Yo-yos said:
I can't justify a bunnelby in any deck.
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Did you ever play in the format with Sableye DEX? That card ruled the format for such a long time, and still is in expanded. Bunnelby has 2 attacks that are better in a way then sableye. For one, it's first attack discards 2 cards (if you do it twice) from the top of your opponent's deck. This doesn't seem too big of a deal, especially remembering Durant and Aggron deck out decks, but it can be significant. With Garbodor or Ninjask, the attack can stall out your opponent and deck them out without being able to attack after using Laser, Hammers, and other disruption cards. It's second attack is very similar to Sableye. Instead of 2 item cards going to the hand, it's two of any card to the deck. This is big because it can get back special energy, stadiums, or supporter's under item lock. Pal Pad cannot do this, and neither can VS seeker, which makes Bunnelby so good.
 
Yes and sableye worked for set deck, But it wasn't the single card that ruled the format for so long, people tend to believe that Dark patch and dark claw were the major benefactors sableye just made them more playable so in stead you could say the engine as a whole made the engine not 1 card, but what about current lists that only play the single sableye and how many times would you say that it see's play versus every other card in the deck? the answer is probably 5-6 games when it's needed because that turn 1 hand was terrible.

But what does that have to do with bunnleby? Nothing because existentially speaking they are not the same card, justify it as much as you'd like, I don't see it being that grand in the long run for standard or expanded in every deck but if you do that's fine. Mill or regain not how I choose to win.

But what does bunnelby have to do with pal pad? nothing, card is an interesting play, I'd like to see it do well this season.
 
Yo-yos said:
But what does bunnelby have to do with pal pad? nothing
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Then why did you bring it up?

I'd just like to remind everyone to stay on topic. The subject of this thread is Pal Pad. You can talk about something else if you tie it in to the Pal Pad discussion, but please don't go on a tangent with random / irrelevant discussion. Create a new thread if you want to talk about something else.
 
I've been playing pal pad online in one of my semi-competitive decks. It is about a 75% win deck and a bit of an odd ball. But it complements my personality as I'm a bit of an oddball myself.

I played 2 Pad Pals in the deck. Simply, it came down to how I was able to thin deck. Pal Pad appeared to work best in conjunction with Battle Compressor and Trainers Mail with a 4 line of each. The best cards to play with Pal Pad appeared to be disruptive cards. Pal Pad gave me advantage in games where mirror cards appeared and I could easily discard them with Battle Compressor/Ultra ball to thin deck (Stadiums, non-useful pokemon, Energy cards, Supporters). It works well with Unowns and Shaymins. As you play the supporters listed below, pal pad recycles them in again. In one game, I played Ace Trainer 4 times with only using a single VS Seeker. Xerosic was another devastating card that I could recycle over again without tapping into my Seeker line of 4. I lsyandred about 4 times in another game tapping into a single VS Seeker.

However, early game without the battle compressors was annoying at times. If unowns and Shaymins didn't bale me out the deck would go dead. I think there is a definite place for Pal Pad in the current meta but I'm still working out the consistency of it. I thought I would share, any thoughts.

Xerosic
Hex Maniac
Ace Trainer
Team Flare Grunt
Lysandre
 
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Mora said:
Then why did you bring it up?

I'd just like to remind everyone to stay on topic. The subject of this thread is Pal Pad. You can talk about something else if you tie it in to the Pal Pad discussion, but please don't go on a tangent with random / irrelevant discussion. Create a new thread if you want to talk about something else.
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I didn't, tuxedo black did.
 
TuxedoBlack's post was still about Pal Pad as a whole and only mentioned Bunnelby as a better alternative to Pal Pad, which again is fine.

If anyone else is unsure what is or isn't considered off-topic, you're welcome to PM myself or another staff member about it.
 
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