Pokémon Sun & Moon Region Discussion

ShadyKlutz

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I'm still scratching my head just as much as you are because we only know a few things about the upcoming games, but it doesn't hurt to come up with a theory, right?

I came up with a theory about the region of the upcoming games, "Sun & Moon." As we all know, all the previous regions are based on real-life places. So, it's not unlikely that the next one will be based on another real-life place. And people have already speculated that the next region is based on Hawaii. Seeing how tropical/island-castaway-like the next region could be based on the Nintendo Direct trailer, the next region based on Hawaii is very convincing and does sound plausible.

However, I think the next region will not only be based on Hawaii alone. Instead, it will be based on the entire island groups of Polynesia (since Hawaii is just a part of Polynesia). Also, GameFreak might also have drawn inspiration from South American countries like Brazil (which I will further discuss below).

My theory is not baseless, but this can be entirely wrong. After all, this is just a theory. I might even grasp at straws in my discussion below. Lol.

First, why Polynesia?
Previously, JC Smith (Pokemon's international marketing director), left a cryptic hint about the future of Pokemon at the 2015 Pokémon World Championships in Boston, Massachusetts, that is "flowers." Many fans thought that he might be hinting about AZ's Floette and its connection in Sootopolis City. However, he may not be hinting about AZ's Eternal Floette, but about the next region.

As we all know, the island groups of Polynesia (e.g, Hawaii, Easter Island, French Polynesia) are known for its beautiful flowers. Because of the abundance of flora in these islands, their people use these resources a lot. These flowers are not merely accessories, but they play an important part in their culture and tradition.

Moving on, another basis for this theory are the firetrucks and vehicle plates shown in the Nintendo Direct trailer. This has been discussed before, but it's still worth mentioning

Passenger plate in Pokemon Sun & Moon sneak peek:
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Hawaiian passenger plate:
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Firetruck shown in Pokemon Sun & Moon sneak peek:
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Firetrucks in Hawaii are yellow:
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My next basis is the fact that one of the islands in Polynesia, that is French Polynesia is under the sovereign state of France. Pokemon X&Y have very loose ends and the next main games are speculated to be the sequels to it. It's quite possible that the southern part of Kalos is not necessarily based on the southern part of France (since Kalos was based on it), but it could be based on something that is related to it (which is French Polynesia).

Anyway, I'd also like to bring up the possibility of the Sun and Moon stones being heavily featured in the next main games because, well, of their names. I will discuss the possible connections of these stones to Polynesia below:

Let's talk about the Sun Stone first. There are several Pokemon that evolve with the use of this stone including Gloom to Bellossom and Heliolisk to Helioptile.

Starting with Bellossom, it evolves from a Gloom if it's exposed to a Sun Stone and I mentioned above that Bellossom is based on a Polynesian dancer.
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Next is Helioptile. This lizard Pokemon evolves from Heliolisk if also exposed to a Sun Stone. Now, this Pokemon reminds me of the Polynesian mythical creature Whiro because of their similar appearance. We also know that Helioptile and Heliolisk live in the ground as they make their home in the deserts. Similarly, the mythical creature Whiro lives underground. Also, the name "Heliolisk" might've drawn inspiration from "Kanehekili," the Hawaiian deity of thunder and we all know Heliolisk is an electric type.

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I also mentioned above that the next region might also draw some inspiration from South American countries like Brazil because of the Mayan vibe of Volcanion. Lol. But there's more. Whimsicott (another Pokemon that is linked with the Sun Stone) is said to be based by a Brazilian folklore called Saci; both are brown creatures that live in forests, ride on winds, and play pranks. People on Reddit have speculated that This is why I said Pokemon Sun/Moon may not be based on Hawaii/Polynesian islands alone but can also be based in South American countries.

Now let's take a look at the Moon Stones.

Skitty involves into Delcatty using this stone and the only connection to Hawaii I have for this line is the fact that Skitty's tail resembles a foxtail/fountain grass which is common in Hawaii. Interestingly enough, I found out that this grass poses serious harms to mammals especially to dogs. (I see what you did there, GF)

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This next one is kinda funny and IS REACHING. Nidoqueen evolves from Nidorina using the Moon Stone. The only connection I can make between Hawaii and Nidoqueen is the fact that Nidoqueen appears to be wearing a two-piece beach bikini and we know the Polynesian islands are known for its beaches. Lol.

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Another Pokemon that evolves using this item is the flowery Munna:

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That's all for the Polynesian theory and now I will move on to Volcanion.

Volcanion will play a huge role in the next Pokemon movie and quite possibly, in the next main games as well.

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This Pokemon may be inspired by several Hawaiian deities. Take note, in Hawaiian mythology, they have multiple volcanic deities such as: the king of steam and vapor; Pele who is the deity of volcanoes and her sisters; deity of explosions, deity of rain and fire (water/fire-- Volcanion's typing), and etc.

That's all for my theory! What do you think? However, this is just a theory/speculation, so it can be fully wrong.

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How did I forget about the strange souvenir in XY?!

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That can strongly be hinting about the next region and it looks like a Tiki idol-- venerated by people from Polynesia!

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After yesterday's trailer, the new region is confirmed to be the Alola region, which is based on Hawaii.

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Now first of all, it's worth noting that this is NOT all of Alola. There's only a handful of cities and routes shown, which clearly isn't enough for 8 gym and the Pokemon League.

In fact, this may not even be all of the island. If you look at the top of the picture, it looks cropped and there seems to be a Pokemon Center in the middle of nowhere. There's probably more there. Second, take a look at the map of Oahu, which is what this island is based on.

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What we see of that island only seems to match up with the southeast corner of that island (the geography seems to match that portion, and several landmarks correspond to areas on that part of the island), so there should be more to explore on this island. What we see here is probably just the beginning of the game, up to the 1st gym. Since this is a Hawaiian region, and Hawaii is an archipelago, it'd only make sense if the Alola region consists of multiple islands and we go from one to another throughout the game.

Now then, I think the island system could be a wonderful opportunity to experiment with nonlinear region design. They trended away from it in 5th because they wanted the game to be accessible to casuals and easy to figure out where to go, but dividing the region into islands gives the game a clear progression system without needing it to be a straight line. This could allow them to give you a sense of freedom and nonlinearity, you could go anywhere on the island and do things there in any order, but in order to go to the next island, you need to beat the gym(s) and complete the storyline events there. You still have the simple progression system that the recent games provide while allowing a sense of open-endedness that has been missing from this series since.
 
Today I thought to myself, "how many islands does Hawaii have again? Wouldn't it be funny if it had eight?"

It has eight.
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It's like it was made for Pokemon.
 
After the recent trailer, we now have a full map of the Alola Region.

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This confirms that the region is an archipelago, the Alola region consists of 4 different islands that we'll be exploring throughout the game.

So to get some more discussion going, I'm going to pose some questions here.

-What order do you think we'll visit the islands?
-Where do you think the Pokemon League is?
-Where do you think Solgaleo/Lunala will be caught?
-Are there any areas you think we'll visit in post game?
-Are there any other areas in the region that catch your attention?
-Do you think we'll get to visit Kalos in this game?

My answers:

1. Probably clockwise starting from the top left island. That seems to be the starting area, and the bottom right seems to be fairly late game, so we're probably going top left, top right, then bottom right. As for the bottom left, that seems to be where the climax of the storyline takes place.
2. That floating platform in the middle of the four islands seems to be the league. Question is, what happened to Victory Road? Is there an artificial one or are they simply doing away with it?
3. The pyramid on that bottom left island seems to match where we see Solgaleo/Lunala in the first trailer. I'm guessing that's where we encounter them.
4. There may be some islands hidden in the clouds in the top right and bottom left corner of the map.
5. On the bottom right island we see a garden and a pagoda that is giving off some serious Johto vibes. I'm wondering if we can find Lugia/Ho-oh here or if there's going to be some other Johto reference.
6. I'm torn on this. I definitely want this to happen, we could certainly use a return to Kalos, but I'm unsure if they can squeeze it in. We don't really have a good idea of the scale of the region so it's hard to say.
 
After the recent trailer, we now have a full map of the Alola Region.

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This confirms that the region is an archipelago, the Alola region consists of 4 different islands that we'll be exploring throughout the game.

So to get some more discussion going, I'm going to pose some questions here.

-What order do you think we'll visit the islands?
-Where do you think the Pokemon League is?
-Where do you think Solgaleo/Lunala will be caught?
-Are there any areas you think we'll visit in post game?
-Are there any other areas in the region that catch your attention?
-Do you think we'll get to visit Kalos in this game?

My answers:

1. Probably clockwise starting from the top left island. That seems to be the starting area, and the bottom right seems to be fairly late game, so we're probably going top left, top right, then bottom right. As for the bottom left, that seems to be where the climax of the storyline takes place.
2. That floating platform in the middle of the four islands seems to be the league. Question is, what happened to Victory Road? Is there an artificial one or are they simply doing away with it?
3. The pyramid on that bottom left island seems to match where we see Solgaleo/Lunala in the first trailer. I'm guessing that's where we encounter them.
4. There may be some islands hidden in the clouds in the top right and bottom left corner of the map.
5. On the bottom right island we see a garden and a pagoda that is giving off some serious Johto vibes. I'm wondering if we can find Lugia/Ho-oh here or if there's going to be some other Johto reference.
6. I'm torn on this. I definitely want this to happen, we could certainly use a return to Kalos, but I'm unsure if they can squeeze it in. We don't really have a good idea of the scale of the region so it's hard to say.


1 - I was thinking that there would be a specific and straightfoward order but instead a lot of backtracking and surfing between islands but seeing that the sea accesses are limited to certain piers, docks and boats, I'm thinking it'll be more like Sevii.

2 - Definitely the artificial island and perhaps some connection to the icy mountain top namely due to the PkCenter.

3 The big island to the left screams ruins and legends with the pyramid, the"blessed" tree and the dark rock area.

4 - Very likely namely because of the boats (can we finally have S.S. Anne back since it cruises the world but we never again saw it?)...in particular the sailboat. We already have the small and simple islands that may be more than meets the eye; yhe one in the far left bottom side and the one to the right of the volcano that seems somewhat clouded.

5 - The japanese town is the one that I'm the happiest with. I don't see it as a Johto direct reference, less with Ho-oh (I was sick of ASOR's legendary orgy), but a natural reference to the japanese influence in Hawaii.

6 - I don't want to go to Kalos. Alola seems to be big enough (even counting the needed upscale due to the caracters overworld growth) for a great adventure and I don't like Kalos. Also, they don't seem to share a geographic link to each other unlike Kanto and Johto.

PS: the artwork featuring some kind of hotel with Water Pokémon silhouettes shown in the first trailer seems to match the white tower,
I'm also curious because in the icy mountain range there seems to be a Weather Institute to the north, a single trailer van to the west,, some Lunala ruins perhaps to the northwest i n what can be a swamp or dense tropical forest.

I'm expecting a LOT of Grass and Water type Pokémon, also MANY MORE Pokémon in general and not just a shy Pkdex with Megas as an excuse for the lack of new ones and also with artists block.
 
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Some speculations:

The first island from the left to have three major landmarks: a) canyon area (I'm guessing we can fight Zygarde here since in the recently released gameplay footage, it looks like we can fight Zygarde in a sandy area similar to this canyon. I could be entirely wrong, though); b) the giant tree that everyone's speculating to house the XYZ trio; and c) coal-black craters.

The icy mountain with the lone PokeCenter looks like the Pokemon League to me and beneath could be the Victory Road.
 
Apparently the first island is called Melemele, which translates to yellow.

The individual islands of Hawaii are each represented by a colour as well, however instead of 8 islands, we have them placed in a circle of 4 "islands" where some of the smaller ones are grouped together with others.

But if we went by the main shape of each island in Alola, the colours of the other 3 "islands" would be purple, red and pink. That feels incomplete to me without the rest (orange, green, white, grey), so I could see them just taking this less exact and make them yellow, red, blue and green lol.

Makes you wonder.. if each island has a "guardian", could this be a legendary quartet? (like the musketeers but not being a standard trio+1 fourth event-member in this case)

-What order do you think we'll visit the islands?
-Where do you think the Pokemon League is?
-Where do you think Solgaleo/Lunala will be caught?
-Are there any areas you think we'll visit in post game?
-Are there any other areas in the region that catch your attention?
-Do you think we'll get to visit Kalos in this game?

1.top-left->top-right->bottom-right->bottom-left sound about right.
2.if it's the artificial island, I could see the "victory road" being an underwater tunnel (if you look closely at the top-right island, you can see stairs or whatever going int the ocean towards the artificial island o_O I loved the Marine tube from Unova, so if it was even more interesting and had me stay there for a long time as an actual dungeon, oh my, yes please. Would be instantly a most liked victory road by design I'd think, considering all the generic caves we've had.)
3.Pretty sure we can see the big monument/rock spike on the bottom-left island. Unless they are summoned there but actually fought somewhere else of course (on the freaking sun and moon, coz..jk, but cmon, we rode a Mega fug into an asteroid recently xDDDDD)
4.IIRC we got a glimpse at the ingame map somewhere (why hasnt anyone posted THAT here, it's quite essential), and it has a very big suspicious cloud in the bottom-left area.
(6.) Also, while I wish we'd go to Kalos, since I don't feel like that region got a final treatment in gen6, I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen..
5.this region looks more diverse and interesting than any we've had so far IMO. There is so many details I'm curious about o-o

EDIT: here it is
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Going from centre left to the bottom right on what I think each large island holds.

1. The first big island with a giant tree and canyon is very likely to be where you can find Zygarde, but only if Xerneas and Yveltal are either caught already in-game, or are transferred from Generation 6 (X & Y). Kind of like unlocking Regigigas in Diamond and Pearl. It could also be where you can capture Volcanion, if it does not get an online Mystery Gift distribution before Sun & Moon are released, but the chances are rather slim, so it could be the location of a new and powerful geyser-themed Pokémon instead. I noticed an area very similar to Pacifidlog Town from Hoenn. It all comes together indeed, trailer.

2. The next big island is most likely our starting point. It is where we get the obligatory Starters to begin our journey. There might be two big early game caves there, with a possibility of one being Alola's equivalent to the Dark Cave in Johto. I reckon this is where you'd find Dunsparce, exactly like how you did in Generation 2 and it's remakes in Generation 4.

3. The white island in the middle is no doubt artificial. It could be an observatory to tie in with even more astrology in the games, or even the main hideout/headquarters of the main villain team.

4. The island with steamy volcanic badlands is probably where we will find Heatran. Judging by the fancy-looking buildings, it might be the home island of Lillie. A building with 4 fountains/pools is likely going to be her home mansion. Getting some Northwest Manor vibes here. But on closer inspection, a reddish-orange symbol indicates that it may be a Gym or the Pokémon League instead.

5. The island with the ice mountain is likely a late-story area where the average Ice Type Gym awaits at the top. There seems to be a town surrounded by a fortress on the northwest, which indicates an area with medieval history. I think this hints at a Steel Type Gym, since Vikings, warriors, and knights wore solid armour when engaging in brutal clashes. A familiar-looking tower on the east implies that Ho-Oh will show up at some stage.
 
1. I think it'll be clockwise. Starting with the starter island and to the island with the icy mountains as the last island. At least I think those will contain the Gyms. The island with the geyser down to the left may be an post-game area (possibly), even if it may be possible we'll visit them earlier in-game...
2. The artificial island right in the middle of the ocean is a potential League Area. Where Victory Road will be I don't really know. Maybe we'll walk deeper into the glass dome, through corridors with a lot of trainers.
3. The island with the geyser I mentioned earlier? There's that white raised platform on the left side of the island.
4. That almost unihabited island I mentioned twice (with the geyser)? And seeing as this region is mostly ocean, maybe we'll get Mirage Spots again. Hope so! It was a lot of fun. And that island that's almost covered in misty, with the tree?
5. Mentioned some of them already, but here are a few others:
a) That platform/island in the lake next to the icy mountain? Will that be a part of Battle Frontier, or something?
b) That big tree on the geyser island? Maybe we'll encounter Xerneas/Yveltal there? And when we capture both of them, Zygarde could be found somewhere in the mountains south of that tree?
c) The small island south of the geyser island? Could that be a post-game Safari Zone? A Safari Island?

6. Sure hope so.
- Here I'd like to really let my imagination run wild (meaning it probably won't happen, but who knows? :rolleyes:):
- That island in the mist/fog? Let's pretend it'll be a sort of an Yggdrasil, the World Tree (Portal to the Nine Worlds). When we go ashore on that island, something mysterious will happen. That tree starts growing, begins to glow, and a Portal opens up, and when we enter that Portal we end up somewhere in Kalos...! Maybe Celebi will have something to do with it? :p
 
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