Okay, I also promised Luis some reasoning for why he is so low on my trust list. The main gist is that there were a lot of alarm bells early, although nothing of note lately.
Quotes aren't working, so no names attached to these.
The main thing that set off alarm bells early, was the early pushes for policy lynches and lynching the useless "and we'll get the business done on D3 or 4!". This is pretty classic mafia tactics - giving the appearance of helping the town, but really this approach helps the mafia so much more by whittling down numbers. If town lynch the useless, mafia can NK the useful and before you know it it's lynch or lose on D4. A better approach example; I would really be all over a Gekki lynch for his D1 scumtells, but I also know full well lynching him now gets us zero information so it's not something I'm pushing.
Day 1 eventual vote;
At a time where it was nearly a Tyler lock, but could have used a hammer or four. If scum, this is a great way to say. "Sure dudes, lynch that townie, you have my full support pre-reveal, but afterwards you won't see my name in the vote-count.
Day 2, pre-incident, you put a vote on Triplemo when he was being decidedly scummy. Which is fine. (Although Simsands hounded triplemo both days and we're about to lynch him so don't put too much stock in it
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Day 1
triplemo: 1 | simsands [#301],Yog [#397-#439], Acetrainer_Samwise [#409-#418]
Day 2
triplemo: 3 |simsands [#511-#573], Dusk Form Lycanroc [#537-#613], Jadethepokemontrainer [#558], Luispipe8 [#563], Yog [#571-#610], simsands [#592], Acetrainer_Samwise [#593-#612]
after the triplemo incident:
As unhelpful as Goomy is, he is coming off more and more newbie town, but the push to make policy lynches continues. I might even say you were the main thrust behind ensuring his lynch on this day? Yet at the same time, you did not lead the charge because that would be overt. In fact you are middle of the pack (the pack needed to be 13+), i.e. the same classic bandwagon position I am suspicious of Simsands for joining in.
Lord Goomy: 6 |Robin Aisaga [#569-#713], PMJ [#594], GM Draclord [#615-#678], TOTAL_EPICNESS [#672], Anime Psyclone [#675-#706], GM Draclord [#678], Dusk Form Lycanroc [#693], Luispipe8 [#695], simsands [#701]
Day 3
Okay so this may be more of a me thing than a you thing, I do not really know your posting style but the more I see, the more I realise you are fairly impassioned. In my elsewhere games, being impassioned over small thing is seen as a scumtell. If a mafia is in danger it's a big deal for their team. If a townie has pressure applied they tend to be cooler because even if they die, at least they know their old posts can now be read as true opinions. So when you blow up over a pretty casual comment like these;
A second example;
A lot of us were tagging Pika & Triplemo trying to elicit responses, to which you had said
Samwise pointed out this was potentially you scumbuddying trying to relieve some pressure form one or the other, and your response was again, OTT af for what was required
Again, getting so riled up is more of a mafia trait.
Looking over your stuff in the lead up to the AP vote I have no major issues, but being that mafia didn't know AP was one of theirs it's not really indicative of anything. In general though, you since Day 3 began have been a lot more reassuring than the first two days.
Quotes aren't working, so no names attached to these.
The main thing that set off alarm bells early, was the early pushes for policy lynches and lynching the useless "and we'll get the business done on D3 or 4!". This is pretty classic mafia tactics - giving the appearance of helping the town, but really this approach helps the mafia so much more by whittling down numbers. If town lynch the useless, mafia can NK the useful and before you know it it's lynch or lose on D4. A better approach example; I would really be all over a Gekki lynch for his D1 scumtells, but I also know full well lynching him now gets us zero information so it's not something I'm pushing.
Day 1 eventual vote;
At a time where it was nearly a Tyler lock, but could have used a hammer or four. If scum, this is a great way to say. "Sure dudes, lynch that townie, you have my full support pre-reveal, but afterwards you won't see my name in the vote-count.
Day 2, pre-incident, you put a vote on Triplemo when he was being decidedly scummy. Which is fine. (Although Simsands hounded triplemo both days and we're about to lynch him so don't put too much stock in it
)Day 1
triplemo: 1 | simsands [#301],
Day 2
triplemo: 3 |
after the triplemo incident:
As unhelpful as Goomy is, he is coming off more and more newbie town, but the push to make policy lynches continues. I might even say you were the main thrust behind ensuring his lynch on this day? Yet at the same time, you did not lead the charge because that would be overt. In fact you are middle of the pack (the pack needed to be 13+), i.e. the same classic bandwagon position I am suspicious of Simsands for joining in.
Lord Goomy: 6 |
Day 3
Okay so this may be more of a me thing than a you thing, I do not really know your posting style but the more I see, the more I realise you are fairly impassioned. In my elsewhere games, being impassioned over small thing is seen as a scumtell. If a mafia is in danger it's a big deal for their team. If a townie has pressure applied they tend to be cooler because even if they die, at least they know their old posts can now be read as true opinions. So when you blow up over a pretty casual comment like these;
For me, Goomy was useless yes, but his reveal on jplap made him seem like useless town. And there were better options than lynching a likely town. So obviously people on this list should be noted. But this prompted a BIG defense when unnecessary.
A second example;
A lot of us were tagging Pika & Triplemo trying to elicit responses, to which you had said
Samwise pointed out this was potentially you scumbuddying trying to relieve some pressure form one or the other, and your response was again, OTT af for what was required
Again, getting so riled up is more of a mafia trait.
Looking over your stuff in the lead up to the AP vote I have no major issues, but being that mafia didn't know AP was one of theirs it's not really indicative of anything. In general though, you since Day 3 began have been a lot more reassuring than the first two days.
