Pokemon is a money stealing scheme. Have no cash? Playing pokemon? Connection!!!

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Rikko145

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I no longer play the game, but I thought this even when I played. Prereleases are designed for you to go show your friends all your cool, new, awesome cards and after they're extremely jealous they go out a buy a bunch a couple weeks later. You pay more that 4$ for 10 cards! Cards that cost them less than a few pennies to make. They hold onto cards they overpower. Like the Luxray GL Lv.X's and what not. Because they can turn around and, at some points in time, turn them into $90+!!! And then there's the japanese. Ever wonder why some cards have an English name and japanese print? For one reason: To jip the Americans out of their money. "A fool and his money are soon parted." As they say. So that they can print it, sell it to the Americans, and still have a card only available to themselves, because only part of the card was printed in English. Look at something like a Pikachu M Lv.X. Do you think any of those letters are in the Japanese alphabet? No. It's all a system designed to sap the money out of the players. Look at the cards you have. Remember that ten of them were 4$. How much have you spent on Pokemon? In gas to go to a tournament? On accessories you really didn't need but wanted so you'd look cooler? On the cards themselves? Guess what? The companies that make them can probably make your whole collection for under 20$. For some extremists 50$. While over your 'poke-career' you've spent hundreds, very possibly thousands of dollars. Step back and take a look at the financial side. It's not too good of a bargain. What happens if society breaks down and we all return to being wild animals? What good do they do now? Before: "Hmmm... A Luxray GL Lv.X! Better put it in protective plastic and guard it with my life!" After: "Good, still have a Luxray GL Lv.X left. Need more kindling for the fire." I mean, really. What good does it do in the view of the animal kingdom? Wastes resources that could be traded for food, shelter, and safe drinking water. Seems a bit silly? Feel a bit cheated? You should.

(P.S. If the mods can come up with a reason to lock this it's probably for me giving my honest opinion on the game as a whole.)

I spent very little money on pokemon when I played. Tried to, at least. But they force it out of you. I've had these views for a long time, but only ever voiced them once, for fear of being shunned by the pokemon community. Well, don't need to worry about that any more. I talked about these opinions in my league leader's car, though. With some friends, who I believe understood my views. The things you have read in this article are based on facts. There's no disputing a fact. None at all. But feel free to post your opinions.

Take the poll above. Not many people will choose the third option, but we all know it's what everybody honestly thinks. They don't want to face reality, the truth. They can't handle the truth.

Many people will probably say, "Well, nobody made you buy the cards!" But there's yet another gimmick. Advertising. On the television, it promises victory and greatness to every player. We all know that it's not true, but so many people lead themselves to believe it because they want it to be true. They show happy pictures of pretty colors and inviting "deals". New, "cool adventures, fun, and excitement!" are always advertised. And subliminal messaging. Using the human psychology against itself. The letters on the screen get bigger, it appears to be coming towards you, it applies to you. That's what your subconcious mind sees. What colors do you see? Earth-tones read as filth or despair. Navy blue reads as responsible. Light blue reads as happiness. Red fills you with courage when you see it. White reminds you of purity. All because they're affiliated with things you've seen or heard of. Dirt, mud. Navy, ocean. Picnics and a clear sky. Blood and boldness. Cleanliness and sanitation. You read into these in a fraction of a second and never realize it. As a matter of fact, you're believing this right now mostly because you know it's true, but partly because there's a navy blue border around it. And a light blue one. But you're not focusing on them. They're there only in your subconciousness. And partly because I keep applying it to you. Words like "you", "your", "you're" and all other forms of "you". Also from me talking in first person. But mainly because you know it's reasonable.

You're being cheated. Your mind manipulated. The companies making these cards are as good as crooks, who use every trick they have to get you to "just spend a little more". One more pack won't hurt. Oh, this deck box is cheap. That's a good price for what card that is. These are things people think about when they spend their money, not that the reason they're buying something is because the outside is pretty and catches their attention. Or they make promises of fun and adventure if you just buy it. That's what they want you to think. "Just buy it. Don't question it. Just buy it."
 
RE: Pokemon is a money scheming gimmick.

xD I agree with most of it but I think I spend more money on food at league than league itself.
 
See, here's the thing... I don't care. Pokemon is fun. You can write this exact article on a lot of things. TV, Computers, most material objects. Sure I spend some money on it, but not as much as you let on, but who cares? What's $100 dollars a year to do something that is fun, relaxes me, and can actually MAKE me money doing well at tournies? Besides, if you don't play anymore, why do you care? :S YOu were obnoxious when you played, and you've somehow gotten worse, Rikko.

And also, I voted yes, for kicks.
 
I think you have good points but just go a little too far with them. YES, you kinda get ripped off but ALL corporations do this and try to squeeze every dime they can out of the consumer.

And honestly, what was the with the part about society breaking down? That just sounds a bit strange. If society breaks down (which it won't) we will have bigger problems than the money we have spent on Pokemon cards.

Pokemon is a hobby. A hobby is something you do on your own time and put time money and effort into. So I see nothing wrong with pokemon.
 
As a Professor and League Leader I will say that I will continue to play Pokemon. Like all companies, Pokemon exists to make a profit and to also let others enjoy a card game. I'm not going to lock this jsut in case anyone else wants to put their opinion out there.
 
In America we have a thing called capitalism, don't like it? Move to Canada.

I am fully aware that the Pokemon Company exists to make money. That being said I've spent less on this game in the last three months than I did on food in the last week. Do I suck at it? Nope. Do I have the cards I need? Yup. I have a 400$ deck that I spent maybe 50$ on over time for all the things I traded to build it.

There are other ways of getting cards than spending "thousands" on them, but maybe I'm just a hustler.
 
You should be playing Pokemon because you enjoy the game. It's a hobby. You invest time and money into any hobby. I actually play Yugioh competitively (been to a few events and even travelled to Germany for a Yugioh Championship Series [did alright]).

I'll tell you now that Yugioh is quite a bit more expensive than Pokemon. Konami are very good at making profits, and while your most expensive Pokemon card (I believe) Luxray Lv X sells for around 50 pounds, the most expensive YGO card Pot of Duality sells for about 80 pounds and Pot of Duality is a card that can be ran in alot more decks than Luxray. Also while you guys have set rotations, so it is easier to determine which cards get 'banned', yugioh has a banlist which changes every six months and what get banned, limited to one or two cannot be logically determined. People have ideas and speculations but nothing is concrete. People have lost money (the converse is also true) through selling / buying cards near to the banlist. Some people buy banned cards cheap on the offchance that if the card becomes unbanned, they make a big profit. Others sell cards which they think will get banned, and if it does, then they profit also.

Despite the higher cost in Yugioh, I prefer it over Pokemon (I only play Pokemon on a very casual level), and this is why I continue to play Yugioh competitively over Pokemon (it also helps that I've played Yugioh for much longer than Pokemon and my skills in Yugioh are far superior to that in Pokemon). Anyway, you play card games because you enjoy them and it's a hobby so of course your finances are going to take a hit when you wish to invest in their products.

Some people try to soften the blow by vending some of their products (sell their cards to other people at big events and whatnot). It's not a bad idea but I rarely ever sell cards, in fact I've only ever done it once at YCS Germany and that was because we were running a bit low on money - it happens.

As mentioned already, companies need to make profits to survive, and sometimes they will use sneaky tactics to do so. For example, somewhat recently, a bunch of promo cards only obtainable though a Shonen Jump magazine got prohibted from competitive play for a reason which is irrelevent to this discussion. Because of this though, a top tier Yugioh deck lost one of it's most powerful cards and it has fallen from the competitive scene now. I think the card has been re-released now though, but even so, that deck hasn't really seen much play nowadays - there are other more powerful decks around now.

Anyway, I think I've rambled on a massive tangent, so I apologize for that, and we'll call it a day.
 
So what, it costs money to play. Every hobby costs money, unless your hobby is dumpster diving/garbage picking. But even that costs money in gas just to go to different areas. And you want to complain about how Lux X is worth 90 dollars, look, the 90 dollars is on the 2nd market. Pokemon makes no money whats so ever off of the second market, which is where a majority of cards are purchased no a days. And to be honest, if you count in how much money I've made off of pokemon by selling cards, I've probably only spent near 200 dollars in a given year on this game. I earn alot of packs by doing well at tournaments, sell good cards that I honestly have no need for. And isn't this the purpose of all companies in existence? To make money? So quit complaining. Its just a business being a business.
 
Same thing could be said for...almost everything for sale. Companies make items for mere pennies of what they're sold for, then sell them to you via advertising tactics, peer pressure, and the knowledge that collectors place immense pride in their items.

I think the fact that we placed a value on something as useless as little cardboard cut-outs with neat art is a good thing. It's another part of human culture, or the collectors culture, that sets us apart from wild animals. Culture is what separates us from animals, good or bad.

i think i'd agree if you were talking about Pokemon cards being overpriced, but not the general implications that we shouldn't buy them period.
 
What? Of course they want our money. That's why they do all the stuff you said they do. But in the end, it's not just "stealing" money. Pokémon is fun. If my money were being stolen, I would have stopped playing long ago. I think it's worth it, therefore I play.
What you say could be applied to ANY business, not just Pokémon.
 
Sure Pokemon is an expensive hobby, but so are a lot of things. But what I lose in money, I more than make up for in social interactions and fun.
 
Ok, many parts to my answer:

1. DUH! Of course Pokemon wants you to spend your money on everything possible. This is why they release a new set every four months. This is why those sets don't just have rares and holos, but Primes and Legends and whatnot because they know collectors will buy up boxes to finish a set that they have an unhealthy obsession with. This is why they release Promo cards and pair those up with booster packs. It's why they even have Pre-Release tournaments because it's where you'll spend $5 per booster pack. All companies are made with the objective to make money, and Pokemon has many, many ways in the TCG to do that.

2. Does this all really matter though? If Pokemon is your hobby, then of course you're going to spend money on it. And the great thing is, if you play your cards right (lol) then you can turn around and sell your cards for more than you paid for them, something that not all hobbies can do. Can the people who play football sell their pads after they've played for the season? No, and ew for even thinking it. What about fishing; you have to buy tons of equipment, many which you can't really resell (lines used, bait), and you have expensive gas to put on your boat for when you go out on the weekend with your buddies. Every hobby costs money and Pokemon is no different.

3. There is no such thing as subliminal messaging. If a message is subliminal your body never picks it up. There is no scientific proof that this has ever worked, though people love to claim it has.

4. Guess what, every hobby on this earth forces you to get more things. Your fishing gear is going to get outdated or it's going to break. You're going to get tired of watching your season 1 of your favorite show. You're going to need a better camera as time passes if you're into photography. If you have a problem with this, then you might as well live in a cave because progress is a part of humanity. We don't like to stay still, and if we did, we would still be cavemen.

5. as for your argument about the animal kingdom, again, not valid. If we were to use your argument, then every person should go to college to be an engineer, and those who don't, should be in industries like construction, sanitation, electricity, etc. Have you ever heard of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? We've fulfilled our basic needs (in first world countries) of food, water, shelter, and most of us in security. We seek higher needs like esteem and self-actualization and this is just a part of it. It's life. If I wanted to live my life thinking that nuclear chaos would take us back to the 1500s then I would lock myself in a basement with food and water supplies and a shotgun and call it a day (or a life) and that doesn't seem very interesting. I think I'll take my chances and live life how it's meant to in this century.
 
Carpooling with people can bring down the cost of going to Events.

You can trade and try to find cheap deals on singles and other items online. I know my friend hardly spends anything and he doesn't collect and still plays just fine as anybody else. You spend how much you want in this game. Just have to be money smart.

dmaster out.
 
@DarkPkmnTrainer - Theres one false statement, while minor, is still false.

1. DUH! Of course Pokemon wants you to spend your money on everything possible. This is why they release a new set every four months. This is why those sets don't just have rares and holos, but Primes and Legends and whatnot because they know collectors will buy up boxes to finish a set that they have an unhealthy obsession with. This is why they release Promo cards and pair those up with booster packs. It's why they even have Pre-Release tournaments because it's where you'll spend $5 per booster pack. All companies are made with the objective to make money, and Pokemon has many, many ways in the TCG to do that.

Pre-Releases cost $25 to attend/play in. And in such, you get 6 packs to make your deck, then 2 more packs at the end of the "tournament". Thus equaling 8 total packs, thus coming down to 3.125 per pack. And thats not even taking into account the cheap deckbox or when we used to have sleeves. Since PR sleeves go for 5 dollars typically, and idk about the deckboxes yet.
 
True, I forgot we get 6 packs and the other two (if you finish the tourney). It's still more than what it costs per pack if you buy a booster box, though, which is always the more rational thing to do, but it's not the most fun thing to do.

Also, in Pre-Releases, you're getting the packs straight from them; there's no middle-man like a Target. So even though you are getting the packs for less than you would at Target/Wal-Mart, Pokemon is profiting more since they don't have to sell to a store first, at a much lower price.

Regardless, the sleeves, packs, etc, all cost pennies to make in bulk, and yet they can charge what they do to make a nice profit from it.
 
@dmaster

Yeah, I pretty much buy all my Pokemon cards online at Ebay, Psi-soft or Card Empire, since I don't attend any Pokemon locals, it is hard to trade for stuff (I pretty much battle my brother on holidays and my roommate during term time).

Yugioh on the other hand, I either buy online or trade. I have quite a few powerful connections which have proven time and time again to save me quite a lot of money.

A good skill to develop in any card game is the ability to buy low and sell high. An example would be a card known as Solemn Warning in Yugioh. On the pre-release, it's value was 15-20. I ended up trading for my playset but roughly one month later, the price shot up to 20-30 and in another month after that, it sells for around 35-45 on ebay now. I got mine cheap while the card was underrated by many, but it is now (almost) considered a staple in every deck.

With a clever head on your shoulders, you can greatly minimize your finances in any cad game.
 
@Usertitle of Rikko: I definatly disagree with this one!

1st paragraph: What happens if society breaks down and we all return to being wild animals? Then money wouldn't exist in the first place. A lux is worth just as more as a treecko. Money wouldn't exist anymore.

2nd and 3rd: I did know before that they make a profit. BUTBUT I do it anyway. Why? Because it's fun. What else do I need to spend money on? Pokemon merch, colleage? Whatever else I get into? I can pay for all of that and still have money for cards.

4th: The commercials are nooby. "All new Pokemon PRIME and Legend cards will make you the best players ever!" Those commercials are directed to kids who don't know about the game. Those are the people that spend bunch of money believing they're gonna pull their favorite X in a pack. Not us. Besides, I don't watch TV, and commercials or not, I'm still going to buy BW packs, AND I'm gonna buy Black, White, and Gray when it comes out, and if there was a commercial to tell me otherwise, I wouldn't listen to it. Oh wait, that's pretty much what this thread is.

5th: Again, I knew it takes little money to buy these. And it is just a money making scheme. But besides my family and friends, Pokemon has provided me the ultimate sense of joy, since I get to meet new friends and have fun. I've heard of way better money stealers than Pokemon. What about drugs? What about gambling? Cigars? All of that stuff is very addictive, and there's so much money pretty much taken out of the people. Pokemon comes no where near to that.
 
You can always trade online, Overlord Drakow. We have Trading here and I know the Gym does as well. Really no excuse to get good cards that you need for practically nothing.

dmaster out.
 
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