Ruling Poliwrath LA

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Ivan_o

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If I use Poliwrath from LA and he gets attacked by Gengar SF with Shadow Room can Poliwrath use Focus Punch since he was not damaged by attack rather than by the effect of the attack. Gengar used putting damage counters but not actual damage.
Can Poliwrath use FP after that?

Also, can Poliwrath be defended against the Submission damage by using the Defender from Base Set so he does not take damage from itself and the next turn the opponent attacks reduces the damage by 20?

Second, does Electivire lv. X have Poke-Powers? Or is it considered that he does not have any, but can use the one from his previous level?

Thank you in advance {W}
 
Ivan_o said:
If I use Poliwrath from LA and he gets attacked by Gengar SF with Shadow Room can Poliwrath use Focus Punch since he was not damaged by attack rather than by the effect of the attack. Gengar used putting damage counters but not actual damage.
Can Poliwrath use FP after that?

Also, can Poliwrath be defended against the Submission damage by using the Defender from Base Set so he does not take damage from itself and the next turn the opponent attacks reduces the damage by 20?

Second, does Electivire lv. X have Poke-Powers? Or is it considered that he does not have any, but can use the one from his previous level?

Thank you in advance {W}
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I will answer your questions.

Poliwrath LA can use Focus Punch even if it was attacked with Shadow Room, because as you said, it is not damage but the effect of an attack.

The old Defender says damage from attacks, but does not specify whether these attacls are from you or your opponent. Because of that, I would say that it protects you from Submission's damage.

Electivire Lv.X has no Poke-Powers. It can use the Poke-Powers of the previous level, but unless they are printed on the card, it does not count as a Poke-Power (at least, I'm pretty sure about the last one... not 100%, though).
 
PokeChamp said:
Poliwrath LA can use Focus Punch even if it was attacked with Shadow Room, because as you said, it is not damage but the effect of an attack.
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As long as it says damage counters, not the exact damage (example: 10, 20, etc). I do believe if the attack states that it does 10-etc damage in the text, it counts as damaging.

Electivire Lv.X has no Poke-Powers. It can use the Poke-Powers of the previous level, but unless they are printed on the card, it does not count as a Poke-Power (at least, I'm pretty sure about the last one... not 100%, though).
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If the pokemon the level x is placed on has poke-powers, it counts. As long as the pokemon is stated to have a poke-power (which the Level X says it has the poke-bodies, powers, and attacks of the card it's attached to), it is always present.

So if Manectric from Platinum was to use it's attack that hits all pokemon with Poke-powers, than it will hit Electrivire Lv X if the Electrivire underneath it has a poke-power.
 
Bane said:
As long as it says damage counters, not the exact damage (example: 10, 20, etc). I do believe if the attack states that it does 10-etc damage in the text, it counts as damaging.

Electivire Lv.X has no Poke-Powers. It can use the Poke-Powers of the previous level, but unless they are printed on the card, it does not count as a Poke-Power (at least, I'm pretty sure about the last one... not 100%, though).
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If the pokemon the level x is placed on has poke-powers, it counts. As long as the pokemon is stated to have a poke-power (which the Level X says it has the poke-bodies, powers, and attacks of the card it's attached to), it is always present.

So if Manectric from Platinum was to use it's attack that hits all pokemon with Poke-powers, than it will hit Electrivire Lv X if the Electrivire underneath it has a poke-power.
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Gengar's Shadow Room clearly says damage counters, so as I said before, it will not block out Focus Punch.
 
If a player uses Slice from Raichu SF can he use the same Slice the next turn if he levels up that Raichu?
 
Ivan_o said:
If a player uses Slice from Raichu SF can he use the same Slice the next turn if he levels up that Raichu?
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Yes because Raichu isn't using Slice twice in a row, Raichu is using it, then Raichu Lv.X.
 
Uh... Raichu Lv. X and Raichu have the same name--Raichu. That's why you can't have more than 4 combined Raichu and Raichu Lv. X in a deck. Therefore, if Raichu uses it and then levels up, it still won't be able to use it.

I'm pretty sure that's how it works. <_<
 
The Reaver said:
Uh... Raichu Lv. X and Raichu have the same name--Raichu. That's why you can't have more than 4 combined Raichu and Raichu Lv. X in a deck. Therefore, if Raichu uses it and then levels up, it still won't be able to use it.

I'm pretty sure that's how it works. <_<
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Well, even if the names ARE different, when it comes to attacks and abilities, it's stated that the level X NEEDS to be read as the form it is underneath. So, even if you consider Raichu X different (and yes, I understand it says "Raichu Lv. X can use any attacks..."etc, it still needs to be read as RAICHU. That's why it's ability says "This ability can't be used if Raichu is affected by a special condition."

Since the attack is an effect, not a condition, the effect would still be in place as long as you have to read the card as Raichu for attacks.
 
But al effects of attacks, special conditions, etc. are removed when you evolve or level up a pokemon.
 
nabby101 said:
But al effects of attacks, special conditions, etc. are removed when you evolve or level up a pokemon.
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The rule book does say "remove all Special Conditions and other effects on the pokemon". However, I would have to say this only applies to moves like doom news and the such. One's that are a lot less exact, rather then directly stating the pokemon.

And to avoid confusion...an effect like this is something like "Defending pokemon can't have an energy attached during opponent's next turn", in which it's something that stays in effect, not everything, like "Does 50 more damage if defending pokemon has special energy attached," because it only matters when the attack is happening.

At this point, I would say yes, it removes the effect, because it's something that's stays. But I think we need to look deeper into the subject. Just remember, though, it only effects the one attack, rather than the whole pokemon. (like if you used an attack that makes the pokemon unable to attack next turn). It could possibly be ruled that the effect is on the attack it's self, not the pokemon...

So this really makes me unsure |D
 
Thanks, I got another question.

Can you evolve the baby pokemon the same turn you put it into play using the Poke-power "Baby Evolution"?
 
Yeah, you can evolve it.

And to be super clear, you can use slice twice if you level up. The effect is removed. It is also removed when you go to the bench.
 
But al effects of attacks, special conditions, etc. are removed when you evolve or level up a pokemon.
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@Bane: This is exactly the reason why Raichu Lv. X could use Slice two turns in a row. All effects of attacks, whether self-inflicted or otherwise, are removed via a Level-Up or evolution. (Or, as Medaforcer said, a retreat.)
Along those lines, this also applies to Rhyperior DP. If he uses his Rock Wrecker last turn, and then levels up, he may attack on this turn.
 
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