If Kyogre and Groudon can primal revert back to an older state, would it mean Fossil Pokémon have a chance to do that as well? I know Aerodactyl has a Mega Evolution but it would be interesting to see if they consider doing this.
Primal Reversion
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But fossil pokemon are resurrected with their original appearance intact, they're closer to their "older state" than pretty much all other pokemon in that sense.
Primals make more sense for big legends that ahve been around since ancient times IMO.
Would love to see Primal Regigigas... he looks worn down and is kind of crap compared to even many legends with worse stats due to it's horrible ability.
Primals make more sense for big legends that ahve been around since ancient times IMO.
Would love to see Primal Regigigas... he looks worn down and is kind of crap compared to even many legends with worse stats due to it's horrible ability.
Fossil Pokèmon are already in their 'primal' form. Genesect iirc, is a Pokèmon that had lived in the ancient time before he was resurrected by team Plasma. Which means that he has an original form to revert into.
Actually, Mega Aerodactyl kind of proves you wrong! From the official site:
"Aerodactyl is a Pokémon that is revived from a Fossil, and some researchers insist that its Mega-Evolved appearance is the true appearance that Aerodactyl had before being fossilized."
http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/#Aerodactyl
So, CollectiveCubchoo does have a point to which I agree! That said, it can be argued that Aerodactyl is a special case because it was ressurected from Old Amber.
Even so, I'd love to see fossil Pokémon to undergo Primal Reversion and have a new look and lost the "fake" (because it seems to be given due to being ressurected) Rock-type, namely my dear Omastar and Cradily!
Nice source 
But if that's the case then why it is Mega and not Primal?
I like the idea of losing the Rock type uppon Primal Reversion. Though their concept doesn't fit Primal Groudon and Kyogre.
But if that's the case then why it is Mega and not Primal?
I like the idea of losing the Rock type uppon Primal Reversion. Though their concept doesn't fit Primal Groudon and Kyogre.
Nice source
But if that's the case then why it is Mega and not Primal?
I like the idea of losing the Rock type uppon Primal Reversion. Though their concept doesn't fit Primal Groudon and Kyogre.
You gave a possible answer yourself: that GF might think it isn't suited. Perhaps GF thought that Primal Reversion was a concept only worthy applying for those two and made it exclusive to them. Truth be told, the name and changing is badass so to keep it exclusive to the pair makes it more "special" even if by logic I think it should be applied to fossils.
Also if Primal Reversion were to be applied to fossil Pokémon, then everyone would be asking for PR for all other fossil Pokémon (and the choices regarding how many, when and in which game to unveil) which to a certain extent can be said if it were M.evos but in this case people just tend to think that it's meant for more "battle useless" Pokémon and since unlike every other fossil Aerodactyl doesn't have an evolution, people would understand it having a Mega while GF avoided having to come up with PR for other fossils. Still about this, since Aerodactyl is a single Pokémon, if PR were apllied to fossils, one (and GF would probably do it too) can wonder whether it would be for the last stage or for both stages (I exclude the first stage-only because it doesn't seem to make sense). At the end, it seems easier to have what we have despite PR for fossil Pokémon making sense.
As for the concept per se, Primal Reversion if applied to Kyogre and Groudon and the fossil Pokémon doesn't need to have the same effect even if sharing the same name, after all those two have a "shrinkened" form but were never fossils whereas others were revived from DNA and remains.
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That with Aerodactly is odd as hell... but then again it's "some researchers insisting" (like when they said scientists think that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon, but they never actually cleared up if there is any truth to it), and it doesn't mean it's actually the case. It also doesn't make sense, since it's a Mega evolution and we're in the process of learning what these are (doesn't seem like prehistoric forms so far, rather just plain more powerful forms). I'm sure they just threw that line on there without much thought, like it's just the first thing that they came up with when trying to make up flavor-text for Aerodactyls Mega.
Wait what? Why would the Rock-type be fake? It's a crucial aspect of their species. I would argue that being Rock types, ie more sturdy and mineral-based is what made some of their body-parts stay so well-preserved in fossilized form in the first place.
If GF slapped Rock onto them intended as a result of the fossilisation or the resurrection process, then why isn't Rock consistent among the fossils? What I mean is, for most of them it's their main type but Tirtouga is Water/Rock (likely because the "rocky"-part is a shell and what makes up the fossil with the main body not being as "rocky" or prehistoric in its biology as the rest of the fossil-pokemon)... and certainly Tirtouga had a shell in its original form rather than it being a fake shell that was added because of fossilisation, we agree on that, right? xD
I'm still waiting for them to make either a non-Rock type fossil, or a fossil of regular Rock pokemon to clear this up..
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Why it doesn't make sense? Mega-evolution is one thing and Primal reversion is another think that by logic can be applied to fossil Pokémon while Mega-evolution is ill explained more so if applied to Mega-Aerodactyl...it makes more sense for a Pokémon to have their original forms revealed by a reversion than by an "evolution" (as in the sense of moving foward) that needs stones, jewelry and bond to trainers.
A crucial aspect of their species? It odd that every single Pokémon revived from a fossil ends up being a rock type. Tirtouga might indeed be the only one that already had Rock as its type and so stayed with it as second even after ressurrection but what to say of Cradily? GF does indeed seem to give them the Rock type due to ressurrection and as a manner to increase the type in a nice way and that's why I don't think we'll se that wish of yours soon, unless they apply to them primal reversion or say that a new method of ressurection was found.
And cradily is a barnacle, which fasten themselves to rocks and boats, hence its rock type.
Now, the movepool could reflect better both of its types (so far, it only has ancientpower, because duh, and energy ball, which isn't even a gen 3 move), but cradily was always sort of odd, even for fossil standards, so I'm not sure you use it to build a case for anything but "cradily is odd".
Personally, I like mitja's theory that the fossils became fossils in the first place because of their rock type, instead of being infused with it by the revival process; it makes much more sense if the ancient times were loaded with rough rock-type pokemon.
As for aerodactyl, why does it even get a mega? aerodactyl is, even more than cradily, an odd fossil; it's the only one who doesn't revive from a fossil, it's the only one who can fly, the only one who doesn't have an evolution line, the only one who has a megaevolution, and the only one who appeared as a third fossil on one generation.
Now, the movepool could reflect better both of its types (so far, it only has ancientpower, because duh, and energy ball, which isn't even a gen 3 move), but cradily was always sort of odd, even for fossil standards, so I'm not sure you use it to build a case for anything but "cradily is odd".
Personally, I like mitja's theory that the fossils became fossils in the first place because of their rock type, instead of being infused with it by the revival process; it makes much more sense if the ancient times were loaded with rough rock-type pokemon.
As for aerodactyl, why does it even get a mega? aerodactyl is, even more than cradily, an odd fossil; it's the only one who doesn't revive from a fossil, it's the only one who can fly, the only one who doesn't have an evolution line, the only one who has a megaevolution, and the only one who appeared as a third fossil on one generation.
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Not this again... Primal Reversion is a glorified version of Mega Evolution made specially for the mascots of ORAS, so they could have something "different" for those games... When you look at it in practice, it is pretty much Mega Evolution (100 Stat boost, slightly changed design, an held item required to undergo the transformation), except it doesn't take your Mega Slot, and you can have more than 1 primal on your team (as it is also highly unlikely you'll have more than one pokémon of each species on your team, so it doesn't really matter that much)... Even in the TCG, the primals are Mega Evolution cards...
Why does it make more sense to have primal times loaded with Rock type Pokémon? There were bugs and they certainly don't need it! I imagine primal times with just as much diversity of types as now...Kyogre and Groudon are Primal and aren't Rock type. While just a slight hint, Aerodactyl was also used by Lance so it could have been Dragon/Flying back then!
We're speaking in terms of concept, not battle usefullness per se. Also, I would prefer to have Primal Reversion any time (and all times) than Mega evolutions which are temporary.
In the end, they can laugh at each of our faces and give something interlay unrelated a Primal Reversion like Slowbro..
Other ancient Pokémon that can/might/deserve a Primal Reversion are the Unown line.
Imagine them going Primal to their complete form called "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP.."
In general, there are a lot of none-fossil and none-legendary Pokémon which can fit to the Primal Reversion idea since they also come from ancient times.
Bronzong: Diamond Pokédex- "One caused a news sensation when it was dug up at a construction site after a 2000-year sleep."
Claydol: Black/White 2 Pokédex- "This mysterious Pokémon started life as an ancient clay figurine made over 20,000 years ago."
Golett: Black/White 2 Pokédex- "Ancient science fashioned this Pokémon from clay. It's been active for thousands of years."
The list goes on.
Other ancient Pokémon that can/might/deserve a Primal Reversion are the Unown line.
Imagine them going Primal to their complete form called "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP.."
In general, there are a lot of none-fossil and none-legendary Pokémon which can fit to the Primal Reversion idea since they also come from ancient times.
Bronzong: Diamond Pokédex- "One caused a news sensation when it was dug up at a construction site after a 2000-year sleep."
Claydol: Black/White 2 Pokédex- "This mysterious Pokémon started life as an ancient clay figurine made over 20,000 years ago."
Golett: Black/White 2 Pokédex- "Ancient science fashioned this Pokémon from clay. It's been active for thousands of years."
The list goes on.
I don't think those cases could be used as examples because in principle they didn't underwent any changes. Bronzong was just buried all this time, indicating it's now a living relic...perhaps what's missing is it's original color.
If Claydol was to primal devolve it would return to being a doll and Golett seems that didn't even went to sleep. This all seem like asking for Relicanth to have a primal reversion when the Pokémon in question has already changed over time even if very little, being a living fossil. Fossil Pokémon on the other hand might be more like copies and so aren't exactly like they've used to be.
And yet these examples are close to the real Primal Pokémon- Kyogre and Groudon, as same as any fossil Pokémon. Simply because they are also ancient thus no one knows how they were look like back in the ancient time.
Kyogre was found after a long time and with an orb had reverted to its Primal form. Same for Groudon.
Fossil Pokemon were found as fossils and were resurrected by scientists. Their story has no connection to the Kyogre/Groudon story.
So saying that those cases could not be used as example for possible Primal reversion because they didn't underwent any changes, is unclear to me. Since you can say the same thing about fossil Pokémon. There is no proof that fossil Pokemon looked any different than they are now. This is all speculation (by us and in-game characters).
Kyogre was found after a long time and with an orb had reverted to its Primal form. Same for Groudon.
Fossil Pokemon were found as fossils and were resurrected by scientists. Their story has no connection to the Kyogre/Groudon story.
So saying that those cases could not be used as example for possible Primal reversion because they didn't underwent any changes, is unclear to me. Since you can say the same thing about fossil Pokémon. There is no proof that fossil Pokemon looked any different than they are now. This is all speculation (by us and in-game characters).
Fossils underwent a process, while those don't seem to, hence my division. I was going to say that those that you've mentioned should have been portrayed (not that it happened) but then I've remembered that fossils were depicted in the ruins of Alph, just like the Unown.
Btw, I'd like to see an alternate primal reversion for Rhydon, just because its likeliness had been used for statues.
Btw, I'd like to see an alternate primal reversion for Rhydon, just because its likeliness had been used for statues.
Because your body needs a mineral structure, like bones, to leave fossils. Bugs, plants... jellyfish, they don't leave fossils as we know them (only marks) because their entire bodies degrade; as such, it makes much more sense to think that rock-type pokemon, with their harder, already mineral-like structure could withstand the fossilization process enough to leave more than a mark, and to protect their DNA inside their remains.
Sure, there were all kinds of pokemon in pokemon prehistory, probably, but only a few left fossils, just like in our world.
And lance also used gyarados and charizard, before it got a dragon-fire mega (and let's be honest, that was simply audience pandering; the true charizard mega is mega charizard Y).
And above all, don't forget that in GF's design guidelines, strong reptiles and dinosaurs (such as pterodactyls) are covered under the Dragon type (much like a certain non-dragon fire dragon).
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What do you mean with that? Primal Reversions are also temporary (as in, only during battle), just like Megas...
Even in terms of concept, it's not that different... While Megas are supposed to be a ultimate stage, the primal concept resolves around the pokemon getting its old power back... in the end, it all comes down to the pokémon undergoing a transformation that makes them a lot stronger... The only other difference I see is the designs of the primals are not as different of their base forms as the Megas (though that depends on the Mega)...
Nevermind, I completely forgot that! XD I was wishing for them to be permanent.