"Random Pokemon card lots" on eBay?

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Tl;dr: Pokemon card random lots on eBay... scams are not?

Has anyone else on here tried buying one of these lots that claim to be random? They normally differ as far as what the particular seller is saying he'll include in the lot, but I saw a seller on eBay who claims to throw in a guaranteed Ex or Full Art in every lot, and I noticed that Charizard* was one of the cards that he would include in the lots. I messaged him to ask that if I won/bought several of his lots, if he could throw in the Charizard*, and he kept saying that he couldn't since the lots were random. He mentioned there was a 1/50 chance of actually winning it. This made me have some doubts about it, and I assume he won't be throwing it in, unless the bidding on one of his lots goes for $100+ (they've been selling anywhere from $4-$15). So, are these lots scams or are they legit?
 
Never tried them to be honest, because the odds of getting anything good seem really low to me. I suspect that they rarely if ever have those kind of cards in them, it's just a way to get rid of some of their random cards and make a bit of money off of them. That's just my opinion though.
 
Some might be scammers, like anyone else on eBay, but I think most of them actually put these really expensive cards, that they show on their pictures, in their lots but it is very very rare that they do.

I see it like booster packs, you are not garanteed any card and the chance to get a rare (like EXs and Gold*) is very small. and like booster packs, you pay more than what it is worth but it isn't a scam because of that.
 
They're technically not even supposed to be allowed on eBay, but they're so common that nobody reports them. They clog up a lot of listings so they're more annoying than anything. Some are probably legit but I wouldn't risk it, or bother.
 
Frost said:
They're technically not even supposed to be allowed on eBay, but they're so common that nobody reports them. They clog up a lot of listings so they're more annoying than anything. Some are probably legit but I wouldn't risk it, or bother.

Why aren't they allowed? Would it fall under "chance listings"?

Yeah, I'm leaning more towards not buying from these sellers. Although, if they do rip people off by not including anything good as advertised, it's just as easy for buyers to claim the item is not as described... dunno how these sellers can protect themselves from this, since the lots are random and they claim to not know what each lot will contain...
 
I mostly buy ones if im not particular caring about what card i get i know a good seller i bought 2 random foil lot of 50 cards and some unopened Booster packs from :)
 
I do a random lot of 130 played cards (yes, to get rid of a bunch of unwanted inventory and to get my money back on purchases that I've been burned on) for 10 bucks and throw in 2 holos. I don't guarantee which holos I'll include, but they're cards that aren't worth that much. I don't say "you could get an EX or gold star Pokemon!" because that's dishonest. If someone on eBay is saying that you could have a chance to get an ultra rare card, I wouldn't expect to get something worth more than $10, unless it's a heavily played version of a valuable card. eBay sellers aren't that generous.
 
I would stay away from all random lots. At best it is a gamble, at worst it is a complete scam. What proof is there, that anyone actually gets the desirable card?
 
It's really only good if you are a parent buying cards for your kids. But the people who flash pictures of Gold Stars, Full Arts and Shinies are liars. They'll throw in a promo ultra rare or something like Celebi Prime. Technically they're not lying, you got your ultra rare and the listing says "random lot, guaranteed one ultra rare at random!" But it's never actually random. Or maybe it is and he just eeny miney moes the worthless ultra rares.

I have done random lots a bunch of times since many people don't really buy commons and uncommons as singles.

What I do is... look at what troll and toad is buying bulk random singles for. Multiple that by 4. Wait to see if anyone's buying. If not, I cut it down to 2x Troll and Toad's price.

I sell them in lots of 100. 40 common, 30 uncommon, 10 reverse foils, 15 rare, 5 holos or rare reverse holos and I tell them is exactly the amount and type of cards they'll get.

I also let them choose which card they want from the photos but most of them don't care. I had a few who'll say "oh it's for my kid but if you really want to make this exciting he really likes these types of Pokemon". ...Except this one guy who asked me to look through my bulk for specific pokemon and he gave me a huge list... that was annoying and didn't really pay off.
 
MrSquarepants said:
It's really only good if you are a parent buying cards for your kids. But the people who flash pictures of Gold Stars, Full Arts and Shinies are liars. They'll throw in a promo ultra rare or something like Celebi Prime. Technically they're not lying, you got your ultra rare and the listing says "random lot, guaranteed one ultra rare at random!" But it's never actually random. Or maybe it is and he just eeny miney moes the worthless ultra rares.

I have done random lots a bunch of times since many people don't really buy commons and uncommons as singles.

What I do is... look at what troll and toad is buying bulk random singles for. Multiple that by 4. Wait to see if anyone's buying. If not, I cut it down to 2x Troll and Toad's price.

I sell them in lots of 100. 40 common, 30 uncommon, 10 reverse foils, 15 rare, 5 holos or rare reverse holos and I tell them is exactly the amount and type of cards they'll get.

I also let them choose which card they want from the photos but most of them don't care. I had a few who'll say "oh it's for my kid but if you really want to make this exciting he really likes these types of Pokemon". ...Except this one guy who asked me to look through my bulk for specific pokemon and he gave me a huge list... that was annoying and didn't really pay off.

I'll keep an eye out on what bulk/lots you list :)

Yeah, I'd be pretty annoyed too if I was selling lots, and someone gave me a list to look through... eBay sellers aren't grocery markets lol. I'm ok with a couple of card requests though.
 
Bulk lots are different than random lots. If you are buying an auction to get 400 common and uncommon cards, you have different expectations than if you are hoping to pull a grab bag with a FA Charizard.
 
omahanime said:
Bulk lots are different than random lots. If you are buying an auction to get 400 common and uncommon cards, you have different expectations than if you are hoping to pull a grab bag with a FA Charizard.

Yeah, I know.

So basically, if I list a random lot of x cards for auction (or through BIN), and get a message from someone looking to get a good amount of the good cards I may give out in these random lots... that's pretty annoying and probably defeats the purpose of selling random lots in the first place, as I'll no longer have any good cards to hand out, and buyers might think I'm falsely showing stuff I don't have.

But, if a potential buyer messages me "Hey, I'm interested in your Card A and Card B. Do you think we can work something out, maybe you can throw in these two cards if I pay you $x or buy X lots from you?", then I'd be ok with that. I'd just have to list two less lots for sale, simple as that.
 
omahanime said:
Bulk lots are different than random lots. If you are buying an auction to get 400 common and uncommon cards, you have different expectations than if you are hoping to pull a grab bag with a FA Charizard.

IMO, they're really similar. You don't know what cards you'll get in neither lots. (you can buy bulk with ultra rares too).
 
As long as you keep in mind what you're potentially getting (the potential to get a Charizard* probably means you are not, in fact, getting a Charizard* or something of comparable value), and keep in mind that worthless Ultra Rares (such as tin promos or Radiant Collection Ultras) exist and can count in these sort of things, I have no problem with them. Though personally, I don't go for the smaller ones. I do occasionally buy large bulk lots. I just don't personally feel the smaller ones are worth it, but then again I have a fair amount of money to splash around. This probably goes without saying, but don't expect uber-playable cards, especially holos and Ultras.
 
In the few random lots I've bought, I did get the promised ultra rares. However, they were promo UR only worth about 3-4 dollars. One time I did get a NM base Blastoise. That was pretty nice.
 
RiverShock said:
As long as you keep in mind what you're potentially getting (the potential to get a Charizard* probably means you are not, in fact, getting a Charizard* or something of comparable value), and keep in mind that worthless Ultra Rares (such as tin promos or Radiant Collection Ultras) exist and can count in these sort of things, I have no problem with them. Though personally, I don't go for the smaller ones. I do occasionally buy large bulk lots. I just don't personally feel the smaller ones are worth it, but then again I have a fair amount of money to splash around. This probably goes without saying, but don't expect uber-playable cards, especially holos and Ultras.

I don't play, so really I'm only interested in what market value the holos and UR's have.. I don't want to pay $10+ if all I get are promos and other low-value stuff.
 
I'm a seller of these lots.

If you know what you want, then don't buy these. I treat these as a bigger booster pack with set rates. Like a normal booster has x number of commons, uncommons, and rares, I add in holographics and ultra rares.

Whenever someone messages me asking for a particular card, or how many packs they need to buy before they get a particular card, I just tell them if they already know what they want, it would be way cheaper to buy it separately. If they don't know what they want, but they just want some ultra rares, then go for it.

My targeted demographic are parents who have kids that want Pokemon cards, or for gifts. Kids just want something flashy. That's usually the newest ultra rares, but most are happy with any ultra rare. Where I'm based, for one of my products you can buy 3-4 booster packs. The general consensus on pull rates are 1/3 for holographics, and 1/8 for an EX, 1/12 - 1/18 for full art (based on box pull rates, not blisters). So for the price of 3 boosters, you get a few holos and an ultra rare. Yes the individual value of these cards are less than the price of the product, but the same can be said for boosters. You buy 5 boosters, you get a Magnezone EX. You're still behind in real money terms. Why do most people still buy individual booster packs? For the mystery, I think.

The difference is that in the booster pack, you know the cards will be from that set. With mine, it can range from BW to XY, but leaning more toward XY. Some people like that, some people don't.

I put in the description that "Ultra Rare" means EX, ex, LEGEND, Prime, Full Art, Secret, Gold Secret, Gold Star, etc, but most of the ones I have available now will be EX, Full Art, Prime, Lv X and Gold Secrets.

I don't include Radiant Collection EXs/Full arts in that pool. I use those for my auctions that don't reach the guaranteed ultra rare threshold. They're more like better holographics for my purposes.

It seems to be working well, most people who buy them are very happy (100% feedback, top rated seller). I've had a few who misunderstood. For those I just ask them to return and I'll refund them. Sometimes after I've explained myself they don't ask for a return and keep it.

Interestingly, when I first started out I had complaints of not enough range. Since those lots consisted of my leftovers from cases, they were mostly from the same set. When I increased the number of sets in the card pool, many more people commented that they were very happy with the range.

Some people who buy from me feel slighted, or cheated. I write them something similar to what I wrote here, and offer a refund if they return it. Most of the misunderstandings come from people who only look at pictures. My pictures have holographics and ultra rares (EX, Full art, Primes, Gold Secrets), to show what I'm talking about when I say holographic and ultra rare, as it could've been interpreted as something else, like those reverse holographics with the set name in the lower right corner, or they thought I had tons of gold stars available. This happens every couple of months, while I sell stuff everyday.

In summary, I don't sell these lots to lose money. I sell these lots to make money. I don't gouge people or pull a fast one and include a Meloetta EX from Radiant Collection, but at the same time I won't include the Secret Rare Gold Charizard. I won't pretend I have the Charizard available in the pool. If you're looking to "win", don't buy these lots. Buy those bulk lots from mothers or past collectors with 2k+ cards if you're feeling lucky.
 
eBayRandomLot said:
In summary, I don't sell these lots to lose money. I sell these lots to make money. I don't gouge people or pull a fast one and include a Meloetta EX from Radiant Collection, but at the same time I won't include the Secret Rare Gold Charizard. I won't pretend I have the Charizard available in the pool. If you're looking to "win", don't buy these lots. Buy those bulk lots from mothers or past collectors with 2k+ cards if you're feeling lucky.

I've been thinking about possibly selling a few of my Ex's/FA's as part of these small lots I've been trying to sell ~1,000 cards that I don't need (listed them as one huge lot), and after calculating what the value of the better cards included would be, I decided that everything together should be at the lowest $150... haven't been able to sell the cards since I listed them 3 weeks ago. I'm interested in making money with these lots (or just cards in general), so if you could show how to do that and how to get a bunch of Ultra Rares/Secret Rares like most people who sell these lots, it'd be greatly appreciated ^_^
 
Patriots Fan said:
eBayRandomLot said:
In summary, I don't sell these lots to lose money. I sell these lots to make money. I don't gouge people or pull a fast one and include a Meloetta EX from Radiant Collection, but at the same time I won't include the Secret Rare Gold Charizard. I won't pretend I have the Charizard available in the pool. If you're looking to "win", don't buy these lots. Buy those bulk lots from mothers or past collectors with 2k+ cards if you're feeling lucky.

I've been thinking about possibly selling a few of my Ex's/FA's as part of these small lots I've been trying to sell ~1,000 cards that I don't need (listed them as one huge lot), and after calculating what the value of the better cards included would be, I decided that everything together should be at the lowest $150... haven't been able to sell the cards since I listed them 3 weeks ago. I'm interested in making money with these lots (or just cards in general), so if you could show how to do that and how to get a bunch of Ultra Rares/Secret Rares like most people who sell these lots, it'd be greatly appreciated ^_^

Try smaller amounts, 50-100 cards with an EX/FA. Look for similar lots and price accordingly. You can try auctions, but you'll need to do some research on the best day and time for your area.

Also consider postage supplies and cost, along with protection of your holos/URs. If you don't want to give away toploaders, put them in a sleeve and sandwich it between the normal cards. Once you crunch the numbers, it might not be worth it. Generally when you want to sell lots of cards at once, you offer a price a bit lower than its worth when sold separately.

I get my URs from cases and trading, sometimes from sniping auctions on eBay. Not sure how the other sellers get theirs, the ones with the pictures with nothing but Full Art, Gold Stars, etc.

Or you could chance it and auction it all. You can set a reserve price, but I think there's a fee for that.
 
There are a few lots that are guaranteed with certain cards. Here's one example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151344637324?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Everything in pictures are included. These kind are best, you know what you're getting. I'd be skeptical about random lots.
 
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