It might help against Carbink if you added the Cobalion from the OP.
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Standard Rapid Kisses 2016/17(Genesect EX/Togekiss)
- Thread starter Arizaiaz
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It might help against Carbink if you added the Cobalion from the OP.
Why 2 Delinquent?
Yea def 1 at max, i play 1 and tht at times seems too much
just to add a way to get rid of trainers if you don't have a stadium in there.
I don't see why that's necessary. 2-of tech cards aren't played too often (at this point I would designate Lysandre as a support card, as it can be played as a 2-of and is usually as such)
one delinquent would be enough.. two lysandres is a good idea to prevent your opponent on powering up to kill genesect since youll be faster than them
yeah to be very honest you really should just have 1 for the Mega Rayquaza matchup. Delinquent the Sky Field and then Parallel City.
this deck got a very good chance with volcanion decks and eat ups yveltal zoroark decks the only problem with this is the carbink matchup
i have a deck list with no vs seekers and im able to go 2-1 with different match ups last saturday and my only lost is with a misplay with a volcanion deck
I changed over to Parrallel Cities in mine for the bench limiting aspect. Helps afainst M-Ray, otherwise good for getting spent Shaymin off your bench on e you set up. As noted a few posts ago, VS seeker hasn't been super helpful to me in this deck either. Have used them enough to warrant keeping maybe 1 or 2 in. Still tweaking, but I still say this could contend.
Best thing for Carbink decks is to find Lysandre. I run 2, and with 2 VS Seekers still in I feel like I have enough acess to them to get 3 EX's in that matchup.
Best thing for Carbink decks is to find Lysandre. I run 2, and with 2 VS Seekers still in I feel like I have enough acess to them to get 3 EX's in that matchup.
Interesting findings, what are you guys replacing the VS Seekers with? I have not tested without them yet as I still find the versatility a bit hard to do away with (I did drop down to 3). And Parallel City is definitely my preferred stadium currently, I only run 2 so far but I haven't felt as if I needed more yet.
I still like this deck moving forward, it has plenty of OHKO potential which is always strong. However, its greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. Togekiss is great when you get it into play (as early as your first turn!) even if you can only pull a single energy off of it. But there are occasions where the 3-3-3 line has caused some clunky starts. There doesn't seem to be a real way of dealing with that issue but the deck feels powerful regardless, since it can make some surprising comebacks after those slow starts. Especially when you can throw down around 5 energies (sometimes even more!) in one turn, thanks to the Max Elixirs and Togekiss plays.
I updated the first post with the list I'm currently running. I'm still a huge fan of Cobalion SS, it can buy you a turn to set up or re-setup. And it is a great finisher late-game when your resources are depleted since it only needs 2 energy to deal a maximum of 190 damage (opponent has only 1 prize left + fighting fury belt). Plus its a non-ex attacker which helps in the prize trade or against Carbink/Regice. I also replaced the Acro Bikes with Trainers Mail, in theory thinning out your deck by the extra card does help your Max Elixir/Togekiss efficiency but I found myself discarding cards I actually wanted a little too often, though it could still honestly go either way I think.
I still like this deck moving forward, it has plenty of OHKO potential which is always strong. However, its greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. Togekiss is great when you get it into play (as early as your first turn!) even if you can only pull a single energy off of it. But there are occasions where the 3-3-3 line has caused some clunky starts. There doesn't seem to be a real way of dealing with that issue but the deck feels powerful regardless, since it can make some surprising comebacks after those slow starts. Especially when you can throw down around 5 energies (sometimes even more!) in one turn, thanks to the Max Elixirs and Togekiss plays.
I updated the first post with the list I'm currently running. I'm still a huge fan of Cobalion SS, it can buy you a turn to set up or re-setup. And it is a great finisher late-game when your resources are depleted since it only needs 2 energy to deal a maximum of 190 damage (opponent has only 1 prize left + fighting fury belt). Plus its a non-ex attacker which helps in the prize trade or against Carbink/Regice. I also replaced the Acro Bikes with Trainers Mail, in theory thinning out your deck by the extra card does help your Max Elixir/Togekiss efficiency but I found myself discarding cards I actually wanted a little too often, though it could still honestly go either way I think.
i have a question, if you devolve togekiss using devolution spray can you evolve it again considering the evolution trait i just need to confirm because of the people i play with. they are so puzzled coz of the devolution spray saying you cant evolve this pokemon for this turn. your thoughts?
Yea, if you played Togekiss this turn and then used Devolution Spray you can then evolve Togekiss again for even more energy. The text on Devolution Spray is just a reminder of the regular rules. Togekiss and others with the Delta Trait are not normal pokemon!
yeah thats what i say to them and they are puzzled with it, specially when i play with others that didnt know about togekiss hehehe
can you use rare candy on a togepi's first turn on your bench to evolve into togekiss?
No Vs Seekers but what about no Shaymin?
Nope. The text says "You can't use this card during your first turn or on a Basic Pokemon that was put into play this turn."
Yea Rare Candies don't really have much use with the Togekiss line. You're better off just using a level ball in a similar scenario later in the game or use Wally if its your first/second turn and you can attack after attaching energies.
Speaking of which I'm planning on going down to a single copy of Wally to make room for Magearna EX. It should provide a bit more protection for your Genesects and can function as an alternate attacker in some situations. I'll have to test it to see if its worth the spot. Otherwise I may just go back to 4 VS Seekers.
Speaking of which I'm planning on going down to a single copy of Wally to make room for Magearna EX. It should provide a bit more protection for your Genesects and can function as an alternate attacker in some situations. I'll have to test it to see if its worth the spot. Otherwise I may just go back to 4 VS Seekers.
It`s been a while, are there any expirience based improvements?
By this point, u advice:
3 Vs seeker -> 2 VS seeker + ?
2 Wally -> 1 Wally + Magearna EX
And if i only have 1 Shymin atm, which card can you advice instead of second one?
By this point, u advice:
3 Vs seeker -> 2 VS seeker + ?
2 Wally -> 1 Wally + Magearna EX
And if i only have 1 Shymin atm, which card can you advice instead of second one?