Set Discussion: Supreme Victors (temporary Deck Discussion replacement)

What do you think of Supreme Victors?

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
B

Blue Thunder

so long!
Member
Yeah...here's the story as to why I didn't post Deck Discussion 11 on Monday, July 27:

Well, I had forgot until about Wednesday of last week. At that point, I had just decided to wait until the following Monday, seeing as all archetype decks had been discussed, and now we were onto Tier 4 crud. Now that Monday has come along, I now decided against posting another Deck Discussion, as most of the decks that were left.....I just didn't see much in them.

It's a bit too early to start DP-SV yet, seeing as how the set hasn't been released yet. However, SV gave me a new thought....why not just discuss the set as a whole? So thus, the Set Discussion thread was born.

Anyway, Deck Discussions will return on Monday, August 17th, and then we will proceed with DP-SV decks. The deck discussed will be Gechamp, seeing as how it doesn't have a big portion of the deck in SV. This means the voting feature will be gone.

Also, because I don't want to discuss any Tier 4 decks again, I will now post Deck Discussions once every two weeks.

Anyway, the idea in the Set Discussion: Supreme Victors is too discuss the set's new decks, what a possible metagame will be, what decks are over/underhyped, what decks will get helped or harmed, what you will play in DP-SV, and the set in general.

Alright, since I'm not going to link to old Deck Discussions (since most of them are dead to being with) I guess all that is left to say is....

...Discuss! =D
 
Horrible set...again.

Blaziken is good
Absol isn't that good
Relicanth is nice
Mankey is a really funny tech
Honchkrow could be a decent tech

There isn't much more in the set.
 
It's a decent set,blaziken can be awesome,and some of the trainers are good.and electivire x too,could become a tech.I forgot ray x.
 
ze_draeck said:
Horrible set...again.

Blaziken is good
Absol isn't that good
Relicanth is nice
Mankey is a really funny tech
Honchkrow could be a decent tech

There isn't much more in the set.
Click to expand...

Pretty much hit the nail on the terrible set. Honestly, I only like Blaziken, Absol, and Relicanth. Some Trainers are alright in here, but really, it's severely lacking Pokemon and metagame wise.

dmaster out.
 
Here's what I got
Good possible Archetype Decks
Absol G
Blaziken FB

Techs
Garchomp C LV.X
Staraptor FB LV.X
Dodrio(maybe)
Mankey the funniest tech ever
RELICANTH IS PWNSOME

Other than that it's not that great, the stadiums are okay but the trainers IMO won't replace any of our staples,VS Seeker might be used as will Buffer Piece but not much else.
 
The cards I personally will be after are:

Shednija
Relicanth (non-shiny)
Palmer's Contribution
 
Oh I forgot those guys, those might make a nice rogue as maybe will Solrock/Lunatone okay so I guess I could possibly add those guys for something.
 
I fail to see how Blaziken FB is good. In fact, I think it's terrible. Sure, it can do 120/80 for 1 energy very quickly, but that's only if certain conditions are met.
1) Your opponent needs to be Burned.
2) Your opponent isn't smart enough to switch or evolve their way out of the Burn. Without Weakness or Burn, Jet Shoot can't OHKO any fully evolved evolved/SP Lv.X Pokemon in the format.
3) You need to find a way to prevent yourself from getting killed after using Jet Shoot.
If I wanted to do 80 damage for a single energy, I would play Rampardos or Charizard AA.

This set is very bad, IMO. Most of the good stuff in it should only be used as techs. Like Exploud, Relicanth, Staraptor FB, Garchomp C, Dodrio, Mankey, Electivire FB, etc. That means we'll be seeing a whole lot of the same kinds of decks again. I don't wanna play against Legos, Mother Gengar, and Luxape for another 3 months.
 
Pokefan4000 said:
I fail to see how Blaziken FB is good. In fact, I think it's terrible. Sure, it can do 120/80 for 1 energy very quickly, but that's only if certain conditions are met.
1) Your opponent needs to be Burned.
2) Your opponent isn't smart enough to switch or evolve their way out of the Burn. Without Weakness or Burn, Jet Shoot can't OHKO any fully evolved evolved/SP Lv.X Pokemon in the format.
3) You need to find a way to prevent yourself from getting killed after using Jet Shoot.
If I wanted to do 80 damage for a single energy, I would play Rampardos or Charizard AA.

This set is very bad, IMO. Most of the good stuff in it should only be used as techs. Like Exploud, Relicanth, Staraptor FB, Garchomp C, Dodrio, Mankey, Electivire FB, etc. That means we'll be seeing a whole lot of the same kinds of decks again. I don't wanna play against Legos, Mother Gengar, and Luxape for another 3 months.
Click to expand...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Blaziken FB is not that great. At least not anywhere near as good as people think it is.
 
cards I could see getting alot of use:

Blaziken FB Lv.X
Electivire FB Lv. X
Garchomp C Lv. X
Cynthia's Guidance

cards with potential for use:

Ratticate G
Champion's Room
Palmer's Contribution
Cyrus's Initiative
Night Teleporter
VS Seeker
Garchomp
Gabite
Chatot G
Staraptor FB Lv. X
Rayquaza C Lv. X
Rayquaza C
Metagross
Skarmory FB
Absol G Lv. X
Honchkrow
Rhyperior
Primeape
Dusknoir FB
Drifblim FB
Chimecho
Medicham
Mr. Mime
Shedinja
Ninjask
Yanmega
Buttefree FB
Venusaur

cards that could get potential tech use:

Parasect
Masquerain
Empoleon FB
Plusle
Minun
Solrock
Mankey
Relicanth
Dodrio
Dragonite FB
Exploud

overall...the set is pretty meh, but then again, that's what I've thought about the last two sets
 
Medaforcer said:
Pokefan4000 said:
I fail to see how Blaziken FB is good. In fact, I think it's terrible. Sure, it can do 120/80 for 1 energy very quickly, but that's only if certain conditions are met.
1) Your opponent needs to be Burned.
2) Your opponent isn't smart enough to switch or evolve their way out of the Burn. Without Weakness or Burn, Jet Shoot can't OHKO any fully evolved evolved/SP Lv.X Pokemon in the format.
3) You need to find a way to prevent yourself from getting killed after using Jet Shoot.
If I wanted to do 80 damage for a single energy, I would play Rampardos or Charizard AA.

This set is very bad, IMO. Most of the good stuff in it should only be used as techs. Like Exploud, Relicanth, Staraptor FB, Garchomp C, Dodrio, Mankey, Electivire FB, etc. That means we'll be seeing a whole lot of the same kinds of decks again. I don't wanna play against Legos, Mother Gengar, and Luxape for another 3 months.
Click to expand...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Blaziken FB is not that great. At least not anywhere near as good as people think it is.
Click to expand...

He is good. The thing is, Blaziken FB fails when played alone. If you make a deck based all around him then the deck won't do so well. Most players could retreat/Unown G out of burn. Then you are doing 80 for one with no downfall. Pair him with another attack, or as a tech, then he works wonders. In Flash Fire, the massive damage done really helps (and it is faster as well.) In KFC, more damage for Blaziken PL.
 
Gliscor said:
Medaforcer said:
Pokefan4000 said:
I fail to see how Blaziken FB is good. In fact, I think it's terrible. Sure, it can do 120/80 for 1 energy very quickly, but that's only if certain conditions are met.
1) Your opponent needs to be Burned.
2) Your opponent isn't smart enough to switch or evolve their way out of the Burn. Without Weakness or Burn, Jet Shoot can't OHKO any fully evolved evolved/SP Lv.X Pokemon in the format.
3) You need to find a way to prevent yourself from getting killed after using Jet Shoot.
If I wanted to do 80 damage for a single energy, I would play Rampardos or Charizard AA.

This set is very bad, IMO. Most of the good stuff in it should only be used as techs. Like Exploud, Relicanth, Staraptor FB, Garchomp C, Dodrio, Mankey, Electivire FB, etc. That means we'll be seeing a whole lot of the same kinds of decks again. I don't wanna play against Legos, Mother Gengar, and Luxape for another 3 months.
Click to expand...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Blaziken FB is not that great. At least not anywhere near as good as people think it is.
Click to expand...

He is good. The thing is, Blaziken FB fails when played alone. If you make a deck based all around him then the deck won't do so well. Most players could retreat/Unown G out of burn. Then you are doing 80 for one with no downfall. Pair him with another attack, or as a tech, then he works wonders. In Flash Fire, the massive damage done really helps (and it is faster as well.) In KFC, more damage for Blaziken PL.
Click to expand...
And that's why Blaziken FB should only be a tech instead of something that can deal 80 and then get OHKO'd by a single attack.
 
set is bad etc
i like blaziken garchomp and relicanth
metagross is cool
honchcrow is cool
absol isnt anywere near as good as previously thought.
 
I think the massive amount of techs this set adds to our decks kind of diminishes the overall wow factor of the set, but all of these new cards are really going to give decks some cool toys to play with. Unfortunately, most of the potential archetypes of this set have some glaring weaknesses, but who knows what will come of them until more people get the cards and begin to test things.

I'm looking forward to it, but I don't think I'm going to buy a box or anything. Just a bunch of tins, probably, since they have semi-decent cards in them. I think this is more of a singles set than anything- pick what you want online and order them for your deck.
 
I love this set so much, Electivire returns! :D

I see Electivire being used in the next set, Blaziken is super fast, and Absol... meh... Not so great.
 
^There are not really any archtypes in the set. The only thing that I like (NOt for trade bait) is Electvire FB Lv.X.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top