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Standard Shiftry / Hoopa EX / Lugia EX

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Zagzig0

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Hello there! I would like some opinions and tips about this deck. Here it is:
Edit: I changed my deck (again). Here is the new list:
Pokemon: 19
  • 4-3-4 Shiftry line FLF
  • 1 Hoopa-EX
  • 3 Shaymin-EX/Setup
  • 2-2 Sceptile EX line
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 29
  • 1 Pokemon Fan Club
  • 1 Pokemon Center Lady
  • 2 Professor Sycamore
  • 1 Lysandre
  • 1 Ace Trainer (instead of N)
  • 2 Shauna
  • 2 Skyfield
  • 3 Forest Of Giant Plants
  • 3 Level Ball
  • 3 Ultra Ball
  • 2 Sceptile Spirit Link
  • 2 Switch
  • 2 Professors Letter
  • 2 VS Seeker
  • 1 Sacred Ash
  • 1 Energy Recycle
Energy: 12
  • 8 Grass Energy
  • 4 DCE
Strategy:

Basically what you have to do is get seedots with level balls, Then use forest of giant plants to evolve them immediatly, And then put sky field down and put hoopa on the bench.

Any tips/Opinions/Ideas?
 
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Forest of Giant Plants doesn't get around Rare Candy's evolution restriction. You still can't Rare Candy a Pokemon the first turn it is put into play. I recommend adding more Nuzleaf and another FGP, and another Ultra Ball. 3 Lysandre is too much and Colress and Skyla are rotating (Skyla MAY be getting a reprint, but not confirmed). For now:

-3 Skyla
-3 Colress
-2 Lysandre
-1 Ace Trainer

+3 Professor Sycamore
+1 Ultra Ball
+2 Nuzleaf
+2 VS Seeker
+1 Forest of Giant Plants
 
Yikes. I do not like throwing things away, But VS Seeker is a good idea. I do not need 5 stadiums though. I think i am gonna cram some Evosodas in there instead.
 
In any case, the Colress and Skyla still need to go as they're rotating, and you could add in a Sacred Ash or two, or Super Rod when they're reprinted to get stuff back. I've built multiple stage 2 decks in XY-On format and I never have an issue with the discard from Sycamore. You have a 3-3 split of Sycamore and Shauna so you should be okay. However, I do think with Shiftry it may not make sense to have Sycamore since you'll deck out with a combination of that, Shiftry, and Shaymin. I think 5 stadiums is okay since you're running two different ones. 3 FGP to get them out ASAP to evolve your Shiftry, then 2 Sky Field when you're ready to swing. Also, since you're discarding energies with Shiftry, you might want to add a way to get them back.

Forget my last recommendations, here's what I'm thinking now:

-3 Skyla
-3 Colress
-2 Lysandre - I'm not sure why you had 3 Lysandre, but I can never think of a good reason for 3. 2 maybe, but even then it feels clunky and slow.
-1 Ace Trainer - Fine as a 1-of, considering you probably won't have to use it very often, especially since you're aiming to evolve Shiftry T1
-1 Rare Candy (FGP is mainly how you want to evolve, so 2 Rare Candy is okay)

+1 Shauna
+1 Ultra Ball - Help get Shiftry out, or Shaymin/Hoopa for draw power
+2 Nuzleaf - Helps evolve with FGP
+2 Professor's Letter - Each one basically says draw 3 cards and search for an energy with Shiftry out
+1 Energy Recycle - Get back those discarded energy!
+1 Sacred Ash - Necessary recovery!
+2 VS Seeker - Always good to have with lower supporter counts

That gives you some recovery if you lose a few Shiftrys, and gets you some energy back. I would recommend Bunnelby PRC with the Ancient Trait, but since you're running a lot of EXs, giving up a free prize might not be worth the re-usable cards.

I also recommend adding 1x Teammates, but I wasn't sure what else to remove for now. I love Teammates in stage 2 decks, since it can sometimes take you more than a turn to set up and you might get KO'd early. With FGP you can get very easily get another Shiftry out if they knock something out.

Edit: I should also mention that Evosoda still can't be used on a Pokemon that just came into play or evolved that turn, even with FGP out. I would rather run more Level Balls or Ultra Balls so you can evolve right away.
 
You don't do anything for enhanced hammers. That card will just wreck you regardless of what you put in. Unless you want to use Milotic, which is still a possibility. It also allows you to make use of Ace Trainer more effectively.
 
Hmm, I could put a 2-2 Milotic line in if i put away a 1-1-1 Shiftry line and my Rare Candy. But is that a smart idea?
 
Idk if Lugia/Hoopa is a good pick for shiftry. The only reason you would use shiftry over rayquaza is the prize trade and leaf draw. So including those extra EX attacker will mean you only have leaf draw as a bonus.

Lugia will also never hit for weakness, making not nearly as good as mewtwo. Especially since most mega pokemon don't even need that much energy. Aside from the 2 primals. Which already get taken down by shiftry pretty well.

I hate to say it but Shiftry's best partner might be Raichu/Milotic.

You may want to also run a sacred ash to get back the pokemon when ur stadium gets countered.

Or on second thought. Why not run Shiftry, Milotic, Vespiquen, Shaymin? When you are forced to discard pokemon from sky field loss, you power up Vespiquen. When your shiftry needs energy and you need to sac off Milotic, you power up Vespiquen. You can even counter your own sky field with lets say 3 Shiftrys, 1 vespiquen, and w/e else to fill the bench and you only have 1 DCE in hand as energy and no supporter. You can discard the 3 shiftry, increasing Vespiquens power by 90 damage, possibly taking the game.
 
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I already have Sacred Ash in my deck. I picked Lugia over Mewtwo since Mewtwo is gonna be rotated out. Raichu basically does the same as Shiftry, And you cant evolve Raichu with FGP. So here is what i did.

-2 Shauna
-1 Pokemon Fan Club
-1 Rare Candy
-1 Muscle Band

+2 Switch
+2 Professor Sycamore
+1 Pokemon Center Lady

I do not think Professor Sycamore is gonna burn out my deck, Especially since i only have 8 Supporters.

On second thought, Are there any good EX attackers that use DCE?
 
Im not saying you should use mewtwo. I get that its cycling out. Just that its a poor replacement. Also why would you want to put in EX attackers? It doesn't really work in your favor for prizes. The point of shiftry is to have a good prize exchange by not using EX s as attackers. If you want an EX, why not try sceptile? It can charge shiftry on the bench and fully heal it at the same time. It only uses 2 energy and it has a lot of HP. Even the non Mega hits for 130 for 2 energy.

Yes Raichu hits similarly to Shiftry. Why is that a bad thing? 20 x 8 is 160 for 2 energy instead of 3. It also doesn't have to evolve turn 1. The point of Raichu is that it hits for a different weakness, it is faster to charge and evolve than Shiftry, and it also has free retreat. It can OHKO a Shaymin with only 3 bench pokemon. Sure Shiftry can do it too. But it only requires 1 energy drop, while shiftry will always require 2 if not 3.

Also if you have changed your deck build, you should probably adjust the first post so people can tell that you have changed it so we don't suggest the same changes.
 
I put in EX attackers so i can get them quickly to the Bench with Hoopa, Thus giving me more attack power with Shiftry. I could use a 2-2 sceptile line in my deck, Thats a good idea. But what do i put out (Aside from the Lugias) for 2 Sceptile Spirit Links? And BTW i didnt say that Raichu is bad, I just dont have room for it. Plus, Shiftry also counts my opponents Benched Pokemon, So it could possibly OHKO Megas. Also i adjusted the first post.
 
festizzio said:
Forest of Giant Plants doesn't get around Rare Candy's evolution restriction. You still can't Rare Candy a Pokemon the first turn it is put into play. I recommend adding more Nuzleaf and another FGP, and another Ultra Ball. 3 Lysandre is too much and Colress and Skyla are rotating (Skyla MAY be getting a reprint, but not confirmed). For now:

-3 Skyla
-3 Colress
-2 Lysandre
-1 Ace Trainer

+3 Professor Sycamore
+1 Ultra Ball
+2 Nuzleaf
+2 VS Seeker
+1 Forest of Giant Plants
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They confirmed the Skyla reprint.
 
Idk if you messed up on the list up top. But you have a 4-3-4 Shiftry line with no rare candy.

Either way, probably take out
1 Pokemon Center Lady (Sceptile does the same job basically)
1 Energy Recycle (Retrieval is much better in that it goes to your hand to leaf draw or use with M Sceptile. Recycle is a 2 card combo with letter, much less consistent than just a retrieval.)
1 Professor's Letter (1 is probably enough)
1 Level Ball (2 is probably fine with 3 ultra balls as well. Since it only grabs the Seedot and Nuzleaf)

Add in
1 Shiftry
2 Energy Retrieval
1 VS Seeker

Still seems like it might be a little clunky. Play testing is probably needed to further fine tune the deck.
 
I already play tested and won 3 out of 3 matches, So my deck is fine. I didnt mess up, Because i use FGP instead of rare candy to evolve Siftry T1. I already have 2 VS Seeker. And how on earth can i add another shiftry when i already have 4? Are you trying to troll me?
 
Take out Lugia EX. It's a useless attacker and is only worth money-wise, not play wise.

Instead of Sceptile EX, my build will have non-Ancient Trait Sceptile for energy acceleration and healing.

Also, never hurts to add more draw Supporters. Shaymin alone isn't going to help.

More VS Seeker. 2 is never enough.

A question for you: how consistent have you found the T1 Shiftry with 3 FoGP?
 
He probably meant Nuzleaf instead of Shiftry. The whole reason why anyone would play a 4-2-4 or 4-3-4, leaving out a Stage 1, is because they would prefer to play Rare Candy to evolve Pokemon faster. But you don't need Rare Candy since your Stadium lets you evolve whenever they come into play. So there's really no reason for you to be playing 4-3-4. Otherwise, that 4th Shiftry will go to waste.
 
I already took Lugia out of my deck. I dunno about playing PRC Sceptile, The mega just seems faster and more powerful. I have 5 draw supporters and 3 Shaymin EX, And i would like Rare Candy back in my deck, But what should i put out? Thats the hard part, Because every card i have i need for consistency.
 
Chandler Rowland said:
They confirmed the Skyla reprint.
Click to expand...

I'm responding because I do think this has relevance to the decklist, where was this confirmed? I see it was confirmed as a Promo in Japan, but Skyla is still legal there, and there has been no word as to whether or not it will be reprinted here.

To further add to the EX discussion, I do think having them as backup attackers is unnecessary and dangerous, considering they give up 2 prizes when you only want to give up one. I would say, test the build as it is against some of the meta decks (or the expected meta decks for XY-on), and see how the EXs do. I feel like they will be more of a liability, especially since you want to attack with Shiftry more often to do more damage.
 
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