Ruling Skill hack

[Shiftyenio]

Hi my friends, in this time I want know about Shiftry´s attacks "Skill Hack", this is the example:

If I use Skill Hack and I look at opponent hand, I chosse Latias Ex, but "Power Crush" from Latias Ex expecific :

[f][f][c] Power Crush:If a defending pokemon is KO by this attack, discard 2 fire energy attached to Latias Ex.

in this case, Can I use this attack?
Shiftry Ex haven´t Fire Energy.

thanks.

 

[Lieutenant Houndoom]

If you can't fulfil the conditions of the attack after use, you can't use it. Not sure whether it means you choose again or you lose your attack phrase.

 

[Psychic Pokemon Master]

Choose 1 of that Pokemon's attacks. Skill Hack copies that attack except for its Energy cost

but you need to discard 2 Fire energies...

 

[ze_draeck]

If you can't fulfil the conditions of the attack after use, you can't use it. Not sure whether it means you choose again or you lose your attack phrase.

It's Mostl about your opponent. You attacked, so you lose your attack phrase. But if your opponen't is nice, he'll let you chose something else (Not sure though)

 

[Mewstor]

Shiftry EX can use the attack, and if it doesn't have the fire energy attached to it after the damage is determined, it doesn't have to discard anything. Mean, but that's how it goes.

 

[Psychic Pokemon Master]

Shiftry EX can use the attack, and if it doesn't have the fire energy attached to it after the damage is determined, it doesn't have to discard anything. Mean, but that's how it goes.

Are you sure that Shiftry ex does not have to discard anything because it stated in the card that "You must still do anything else required for that attack"??

 

[Mewstor]

Shiftry EX can use the attack, and if it doesn't have the fire energy attached to it after the damage is determined, it doesn't have to discard anything. Mean, but that's how it goes.

Are you sure that Shiftry ex does not have to discard anything because it stated in the card that "You must still do anything else required for that attack"??

Only after everything else is resolved. If Shiftry happens to have any fire energy attached to it, it'll have to discard 2 of them (or one if it only has one). Otherwise not

Now you know why Shiftry EX is so popular.

On a different note. If you use an attack with Skill Hack that demand a discard before you can use the attack (like Steelix EX Mud Slide) you can't use the attack if you can't pay for the attack cost. But anything that happens after the initial damage calculation, is cost free for Shiftry (unless it has something to discard).

 

[Psychic Pokemon Master]

Shiftry EX can use the attack, and if it doesn't have the fire energy attached to it after the damage is determined, it doesn't have to discard anything. Mean, but that's how it goes.

Are you sure that Shiftry ex does not have to discard anything because it stated in the card that "You must still do anything else required for that attack"??

Only after everything else is resolved. If Shiftry happens to have any fire energy attached to it, it'll have to discard 2 of them (or one if it only has one). Otherwise not
Really?? That's nice...

Now you know why Shiftry EX is so popular.
I already know Shiftry ex is popular & I intend to use it but I have no idea what card can combo with it in the new format...

On a different note. If you use an attack with Skill Hack that demand a discard before you can use the attack (like Steelix EX Mud Slide) you can't use the attack if you can't pay for the attack cost. But anything that happens after the initial damage calculation, is cost free for Shiftry (unless it has something to discard).
Thanks for the info...

 

[Master of the Six Kings]

Crawdaunt ex is always nice. With some warp points/PR's you can shove their best pokemon to their bench, then to hand then copy its attack.

 

[Shiftyenio]

ok, so this effect is whit any cost of the text. thanks

 

[ze_draeck]

== SKILL HACK (Shiftry EX - EXower Keepers)

Q. If I use Shiftry-EX's "Skill Hack" attack and find that my opponent's Pokémon don't have any attacks I want, can I choose to not do any attack?
A. No, if you find any Pokémon with attacks in your opponent's hand you MUST choose one of them. (Feb 22, 2007 PUI Rules Team)

Q. If I use Shiftry-EX's "Skill Hack" attack and copy an attack like Salamence-EX's "Hydro Wave" or Steelix-EX's "Mudslide", do I have to have any Water energy or Fighting energy attached to Shiftry-EX or not?
A. Basically when it comes to statements like "discard X Energy", they are considered necessary to use that attack. So for Hydro Wave Shiftry-EX would need to have at least one Water energy to discard, and for Mudslide Shiftry-EX would need to have two Fighting energy to discard. If you can only choose an attack that has requirements and you don't have the correct energy cards attached, then the Skill Hack attack does nothing. (Mar 15, 2007 PUI Rules Team)

Q. If I use Shiftry-EX's "Skill Hack" attack and find that my opponent also has a Shiftry-EX's with "Skill Hack", can I choose to use one of the attacks in MY own hand?
A. No, when you copy an opponent's attack you copy it from the point of view of the Pokémon doing the "copying" attack. So if you copied your opponent's Skill Hack, you would simply get to look at their hand AGAIN! But to do this in a recursive, infinite fashion would result in delay-of-game penalties or "unsportsmanlike conduct". (Feb 22, 2007 PUI Rules Team)

This is absolutly everything in the compendium, Look at he Bolded Red Part. Mewstor i wrong

 

[Mewstor]

Do I have to quote myself?

On a different note. If you use an attack with Skill Hack that demand a discard before you can use the attack (like Steelix EX Mud Slide) you can't use the attack if you can't pay for the attack cost. But anything that happens after the initial damage calculation, is cost free for Shiftry (unless it has something to discard).

If there is a cost to even beging using the attack, YOU HAVE TO PAY IT.

After the initial damage calculation is done, and the attack sais to then discard energy, you have to discard if Shiftry EX has the energy to discard. If it doesnt have it, then it discards nothing.

 

[ze_draeck]

Nuff Said

 

[Black Winged Gengar]

== SKILL HACK (Shiftry EX - EXower Keepers)

^lol @ the random smilie >_>


Just one thing I'd like to throw in... as its a pretty recent ruling and I'd just like to clear up what Mewstor said:

Only after everything else is resolved. If Shiftry happens to have any fire energy attached to it, it'll have to discard 2 of them (or one if it only has one). Otherwise not

I'm not sure exactly what you meant by "if it happens to have any fire energy attached to it," but, according to a recent ruling, it's considered necessary to deal damage:

Q. If Clefable metronomes Latias-EX's "Power Crush" attack, what happens if there are no Fire Energies attached to Clefable?

A. Clefable can copy the Power Crush attack without having any Fire Energy to discard as long as the Defending Pokémon is not Knocked Out by the attack. If the Defending Pokémon was Knocked Out and you cannot discard 2 Fire Energies, then this attack does nothing. (Jul 19, 2007 PUI Rules Team)

So you only need the 2 fires if you would KO the defending Pokemon in the first place. If you don't have the fires then apparently you gotta choose something else.