Ruling Slaking/Slakoth Question

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First, here are the translations:

Slakoth LV.11 – Colorless – HP50
Basic Pokemon

[C] Flail: Does 10 damage times the number of damage counters on Slakoth.
[C][C] Slack Off: Remove all damage counters from Slakoth. Slakoth can't attack during your next turn.

Weakness: Fighting (+10)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1
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Slaking LV.62 – Colorless – HP150
Stage 2 – Evolves from Vigoroth

Poke-Body: Truant
If this Pokemon used an attack during your last turn, this Pokemon can't attack.

[C][C][C][C] Full Speed Dash: 150 damage. Any damage done to Slaking by attacks during your opponent's next turn is increased by 50.

Weakness: Fighting (+30)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 4
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Now here's what me and my friend were pondering about.

For the sake of arguement, let's just say I RARE CANDIED Slakoth into Slaking.

Can I attach Memory Berry to Slaking, and use Slakoths second attack "Slack Off" to remove all damage counters from Slaking?
We concluded "Yes" because although it says "Remove all damage counters from Slakoth", the same rule would be applied back to MT Gyarados who was able to use Flail successfully though the attack said "Does 10x the amount of damage counters on Magikarp."

Second Question:
If that is correct, and I can use that attack and remove Damage counters, can Slaking Attack during my next turn. This where the rule applies that it is no longer Slakoth Attacking, but it is Slaking.



Any Clarification will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I'm pretty sure you can still use Slakoth's attack. Memory Berry says its "pre-evolved" form, and Slakoth is the pre-evolved form, so you may be able to use it.
 
If you are asking if you can use Slakoth's Slack Off through the use of Memory Berry after you have used it once and just evolved this turn, then yes because in this case it's like benching it and sending it back up again. And Memory Berry should most likely say "that Pokemon's attacks as its own" making it so you could remove all damage counters. And as far as the second question goes, it could not attack again during your next turn. Because as it is using the attack as its own, his Poke-Body comes into play. If it didn't, the effect of Slakoth's attack would still come into play. We can't be 100% sure until we see the actual Memory Berry card, but that's my best guess. And that's how the CG Memory Berry was worded anyway.
 
Nah, that's not entirely what I meant.

I meant, if I have Slaking out (Already evolved from Slakoth with the use of Rare Candy), and I attach Memory Berry to him, can I use Slakoths "Slack Off" to remove damage counters. And if I did, (assuming I had a counter to Slakings PokeBody like Dialga G Lv. X), would Slakoths second part of it's attack come into play? Even though technically, it is not Slakoth anymore.
 
The wording, Slakoth on the attack is simply refers as "THIS POKEMON'.
So, if Slaking uses Slack Off with the use of Memory Berry, the attack would be read as "Remove all damage counters from Slaking. Slaking can't attack during your next turn."
Therefore, Slaking can't attack during next turn after uses the attack Slack Off.

Hope I answer your question.
 
G2F: No. THIS POKEMON refers to Slaking, not slakoth. So if you did happen to use slakoth's attack, then yes you could still attack with slaking.

I want to make a slaking deck and I would use Dialga LV X G. It counters shaymins and other PKBDY's, but it counters your own making it able to attack easier.

Hope this helped.
 
Wiseman. said:
G2F: No. THIS POKEMON refers to Slaking, not slakoth. So if you did happen to use slakoth's attack, then yes you could still attack with slaking.

I want to make a slaking deck and I would use Dialga LV X G. It counters shaymins and other PKBDY's, but it counters your own making it able to attack easier.

Hope this helped.
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Yes it did help, and actually gave me more of a reason to make the deck. I mean.. 150 damage for 1 attack. How can you ignore that?


And I thought I was crazy trying to pair Slaking MT with Dialga Lv. X. NOW LOOK! A NEW FORM! =]
 
I can see that there is a still debates going back and forth about if Slaking can attack or not if he uses Slakoths attack "Slack Off". Is there an official ruling anywhere?
 
You can remove all damage counters from Slacking. With that, Slaking can not attack next turn. Whenever something says anything like that, instead of that pokemon, you treat it as "this pokemon"
Here's something from the compendium with the metronome.
Compendium said:
Q. Please explain Metronoming attacks where the attack mentions the specific name of the opponent's Pokémon.
A. Anytime an attack is self referencing (meaning it mentions itself) and you copy that attack with Metronome or Ditto, you replace the self-referenced name with the name of the Clefable/Clefairy/Ditto, etc. (Dec 14, 2000 WotC Chat, Q66)
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Compendium said:
Q. Suppose Clefairy uses Metronome to copy Chansey's Double-edge attack (which does 80 damage and has the text "Chansey does 80 damage to itself"). Does that mean Clefairy does 80 damage to Chansey plus Chansey does 80 damage to itself, for a total of 160 damage to Chansey?
A. No, Clefairy will do 80 damage to Chansey and Clefairy will do 80 damage to itself. In general, if Pokémon A copies an attack from Pokémon B, any copies of Pokémon B's name in Pokémon B's attack should be replaced by Pokémon A's name. (Think of Pokémon A's name, when written on Pokémon A's card, as really being "this Pokémon.") (Base Set WotC FAQ)
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