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Speed Empoleon with terrakion (Need Help quick!!)

breadingEggMaster

breadingEggMaster

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I'm trying to make a Speedier empoleon deck with terrakion to a tourney for a display tomorrow in my league and i come up with this list

Pokémon (18)
2- terrakion
4-4 Empoleon
1- mewEX
2- Emolga
2-2 roserade
1-Zapdos

T/S/S (31)
3- Professor Juniper
3- level ball
1- Super Rod
4- Rare candies
4- Pokémon Catcher
3- N
2- Switch
3- Cheren
2- random reciever
2- Exp. Share
2- tool scraper
2-Max Potion

Energy (11)
4 Water
3 Fighting
4 Blend Energy Water/ Fighting/ Electric/ Metal

The strategy is to get the empoleon or terrakion you need at top speed so it can counter everything quickly

This deck need some help quickly so please comment to your heart!!
Thanks in advance
 
I would remove the Exp Shares and Tool Scrappers in favor of 2 Prinplup and 2 Ultra Balls.

It is important to get the first Empoleon out quickly and equally important to get the second one out reliably. The Prinplups help out a lot with that.

If you want your Terrakions out reliably then you need something beside Emolga and Roserade that will let you search for it. I prefer Ultra Ball since Empoleon decks usually have large hands full of stuff you don't need right away.

You could run one less energy if you wanted room for something else and I would skew your energy line to be more towards water than fighting. I run 5 Water/ 3 Blend WLFM/ 3 Fighting
 
RichD said:
I would remove the Exp Shares and Tool Scrappers in favor of 2 Prinplup and 2 Ultra Balls.

It is important to get the first Empoleon out quickly and equally important to get the second one out reliably. The Prinplups help out a lot with that.

If you want your Terrakions out reliably then you need something beside Emolga and Roserade that will let you search for it. I prefer Ultra Ball since Empoleon decks usually have large hands full of stuff you don't need right away.

You could run one less energy if you wanted room for something else and I would skew your energy line to be more towards water than fighting. I run 5 Water/ 3 Blend WLFM/ 3 Fighting
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I tested this deck this last Sunday and it works very well.
The tool scraper is a must because of the eviolite darkray and Zeckrom or else i can't OHKO them.
The Exp.Share is important to and i never needed prinplup until now.
The worst problem i got until now is tornadus-EX

I don't know if i want to put blend energy because of the enhance hammer

I wanted to insert some max potion but i don't know what to trade for it

someone got some more advice?
 
I kinda like your whole deck concept. 4-4 piplup empolen for maximum rare candy. why not try:

-1 juniper (I honestly think 4 is an overkill)
-1 level ball (having 4 piplup, I wouldnt be surprised that you get at least 1 on your 1st hand. and you also have emolga)
+2 max potions?

try it out against an eels deck, so you'll see what makes it difficult for you, except for the weakness disadvantage.
 
r0naLd222 said:
I kinda like your whole deck concept. 4-4 piplup empolen for maximum rare candy. why not try:

-1 juniper (I honestly think 4 is an overkill)
-1 level ball (having 4 piplup, I wouldnt be surprised that you get at least 1 on your 1st hand. and you also have emolga)
+2 max potions?

try it out against an eels deck, so you'll see what makes it difficult for you, except for the weakness disadvantage.
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Level ball is to get roserade quicker to but i will try that.
Thanks for the advice.

Someone got some more tips?
 
Deck list updated!

I was thinking of adding a Zapdos because of the Tornadus-EX problem... Zapdos is also good against Terrakions, Mirror matches and sniping bench pokémon. The only problem is the high energy cost attack and the double retreat cost...
Should i add it or not? And what should i take out to add one?
 
If Tornadus EX is a big problem, then I recommend putting a Zekrom in your deck. I'm not joking.

I also recommend cutting down on the fighting energy, there's just too much. Maybe remove 2 Fighting energy (My empoleon deck runs 3+1 Energy Search) and also a Cheren (I found Diving Draw is sufficient late-game, and You'd rather use Juniper Early-game), and add a Zekrom + 2 DCE. These are useful for retreating Empoleon manually if needed, and it takes care of Tornadus-EX. If you do make these changes, I recommend removing Mew EX for Mewtwo EX. It is bulkier and still counters Mewtwo, but now you have the means for gearing it up.

These are just the suggestions of a person who's been tweaking his empoleon deck since they announced BW-on (Of course, I don't run roserade and I prefer energy switch over exp. share, but that's for another time).
 
Deoxysmatter said:
If Tornadus EX is a big problem, then I recommend putting a Zekrom in your deck. I'm not joking.

I also recommend cutting down on the fighting energy, there's just too much. Maybe remove 2 Fighting energy (My empoleon deck runs 3+1 Energy Search) and also a Cheren (I found Diving Draw is sufficient late-game, and You'd rather use Juniper Early-game), and add a Zekrom + 2 DCE. These are useful for retreating Empoleon manually if needed, and it takes care of Tornadus-EX. If you do make these changes, I recommend removing Mew EX for Mewtwo EX. It is bulkier and still counters Mewtwo, but now you have the means for gearing it up.

These are just the suggestions of a person who's been tweaking his empoleon deck since they announced BW-on (Of course, I don't run roserade and I prefer energy switch over exp. share, but that's for another time).
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I'm with Empoleon since he came out and i already try Zeckrom and Mewtwo. The problem at the time i had zeckrom was that i wasn't able of KOing TornadosEX with Outrage and it was an easy target to catcher and not that good against terrakion. Zapdos Looks to me an more reliable option, but is also week against Eells... but i don't like the double colorless energy is this deck... i have to check if with roserade i can run it smother even using zeckrom/Zapdos and mewtwo. I really prefer the exp.share to the energy switch. it works better for me.

Any more advice?
 
Question: do you use mew as a Substitute empoleon for attack command? if so I like that. Zapdos is great, no doubt about that but it's very flippy. It could break your game with unlucky flips. I think mewtwo would be easier to use coz of x-ball. BUT it's still your choice :D
 
r0naLd222 said:
Question: do you use mew as a Substitute empoleon for attack command? if so I like that. Zapdos is great, no doubt about that but it's very flippy. It could break your game with unlucky flips. I think mewtwo would be easier to use coz of x-ball. BUT it's still your choice :D
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Yes i use MewEx like an Empoleon most of the times. I'm having trouble with Zapdos... i want to find a way of adding 2 DCE without losing consistency so Zapdos could be easier to set up when needed and maybe trading MewEX for MewtwoEX. But mewEX is more versatile.

Do you got some more tips for me?
 
I also think you should make space for 2 Prinplups. You'll be so happy to have them if you get Item-Locked!

Also, be careful about placing that Mew EX early, because it can be Catcher'd and KO'd by Mewtwo EX, Gothitelle, and other powerful {P} Pokemon!

You'll need more Switch than 2, seeing as how most people who can WILL run 4 Catcher. Empoleon's Retreat Cost isn't workable, and Terrakion's is fricken clunky!

Not completely sure what you should take out, though. I can see that nearly all of your cards have deliberate purpose, like Roserade giving you a specific card, and Empoleon's Diving Draw for Draw Support...
 
Sorry, but I would drop the Roserade line. It's taking 4 slots and without SSU/Devolution Spray nothing but a nice target for Catcher.
Without Roserade you can up your draw power with 2 Random Recivers and add 2 Prinplup, since you will need those! If you got no Rare Candy or already used all 4 you gonna be stuck and "doomed".
I'm not too happy with Zapdos, beeing kinda "random". High energy costs with an high retreat...
Also I wouldn't play Exp Share, everyone plays Tool Scrapper and besides, you only got 1 energy attack costs, so not rly needed anyways. ^^
My suggestion:

- 2-2 Roserade
- 1 Zapdos
- 2 Exp Share
- 1 Level Ball

+ 2 Prinplup
+ 2 Random Reciver
+ 4 Great Ball

Great Ball is an odd choice, but it always should find something what you need early on!
 
Hunga said:
Sorry, but I would drop the Roserade line. It's taking 4 slots and without SSU/Devolution Spray nothing but a nice target for Catcher.
Without Roserade you can up your draw power with 2 Random Recivers and add 2 Prinplup, since you will need those! If you got no Rare Candy or already used all 4 you gonna be stuck and "doomed".
I'm not too happy with Zapdos, beeing kinda "random". High energy costs with an high retreat...
Also I wouldn't play Exp Share, everyone plays Tool Scrapper and besides, you only got 1 energy attack costs, so not rly needed anyways. ^^
My suggestion:

- 2-2 Roserade
- 1 Zapdos
- 2 Exp Share
- 1 Level Ball

+ 2 Prinplup
+ 2 Random Reciver
+ 4 Great Ball

Great Ball is an odd choice, but it always should find something what you need early on!
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Friend Great ball is out of rotation...
Terrakion energy cost isn't one energy. The exp.Share is there to try speed it up.
Roserade believe it or note make a difference in this deck letting you start with the right card u need or sometimes late game getting you that so needed card.
I'm playing this deck for a while now and i never needed the prinplup. They always end up being dead cards in the hand and i never needed more than 4 empoleon.
Zapdos is my problem here. I needed something to counter TornadusEX but Zapdos isn't working... it's too slow :/

Someone got any more advice? something to counter tornadusEX?
 
Uhm.. I'm pretty sure great ball is still present in the format

breadingEggMaster said:
Friend Great ball is out of rotation...
Terrakion energy cost isn't one energy. The exp.Share is there to try speed it up.
Roserade believe it or note make a difference in this deck letting you start with the right card u need or sometimes late game getting you that so needed card.
I'm playing this deck for a while now and i never needed the prinplup. They always end up being dead cards in the hand and i never needed more than 4 empoleon.
Zapdos is my problem here. I needed something to counter TornadusEX but Zapdos isn't working... it's too slow :/

Someone got any more advice? something to counter tornadusEX?
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*ehem* Zekrom *ehem*
 
r0naLd222 said:
Uhm.. I'm pretty sure great ball is still present in the format


*ehem* Zekrom *ehem*
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sorry i was confusing it with another card.
but great ball isn't good for me or this deck. i don't like to depend on luck.

Zekrom got the same problem that zapdos does. high energy cost. needing 2 blend at least to attack. :\
 
You don't really depend so much on luck with Great Ball, it's simple math that it should find a Pokémon with each use.
And maybe you think Roserade helps you, but you know, you could use that slot for other cards, much more potent! :p
But please take out the EXP Share, I don't see ANY reason to play it. Empoleon only needs 1 energy to attack.
You said you never needed Prinplup, why? You got so lucky or just some "noobs"? Might sound a bit "mean/rude" but you know Garchomp 1-hits you?
And I'm not sure how lucky you're with getting Rare Candy and Empoleons.
 
Hunga said:
You don't really depend so much on luck with Great Ball, it's simple math that it should find a Pokémon with each use.
And maybe you think Roserade helps you, but you know, you could use that slot for other cards, much more potent! :p
But please take out the EXP Share, I don't see ANY reason to play it. Empoleon only needs 1 energy to attack.
You said you never needed Prinplup, why? You got so lucky or just some "noobs"? Might sound a bit "mean/rude" but you know Garchomp 1-hits you?
And I'm not sure how lucky you're with getting Rare Candy and Empoleons.
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That's exactly why roserade matters in this deck!
I always get a t2 roserade at least and that roserade can get me almost always a t2 empoleon, or the so needed catcher to begin strong and kill the alterias that garchomp so much need to 1-hit me.
Believe me roserade is easy to get and permits you any card you need that turn. It's thanks to roserade that i always get the edge of the battle.
And i will repeat. Exp.Share is for terrakion. it makes a difference but i'm willing to try trading it maybe for energy switch or maybe other card if it helps the deck get more synergy.
 
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