Ruling Started the game about a month ago, tried taking the professor test

[festizzio]

I realized I don't know as much about the TCG as I thought, so I just have a few questions I was hoping you all could answer.

1) There was a question regarding older poke-powers and newer cards with poke-powers and poke-bodies, and it was very confusing. Do newer cards that say they only affect poke-powers affect all the old cards with poke-powers (before poke-bodies were invented)?

2)This one relates to the the previous one a little. Newer cards that only affect poke-bodies, do they affect older cards with poke-powers? The answer is fairly obvious, I just want to be sure.

3)Also, the older cards (before poke-bodies were invented) that say they affect poke-powers, do they affect both poke-powers and poke-bodies?

4)Can you search out a Pokemon Lv. X with a card like Bebe's Search? The reason I ask is because a question on the test had a question like this, and I said you could search out a lv. x with a card that says search for a pokemon, and I got the answer wrong.

5)How does damage calculation work? (By this I mean, what comes first after base damage, is it trainers, energy card effects, any other effects, weakness, resistance, damage counters, etc.)

6)If a pokemon has 10 HP remaining, is poisoned and your opponent's active pokemon is flygon with irritating buzz, does the poison damage and buzz damage hit at the same time, letting you send out a pokemon with no damage counters? Or does poison kill the first pokemon, then irritating buzz does 10 to the new pokemon?

Those are all the questions I have for now, if any of them can be answered I would really appreciate it. I'm sure I'll have some more, but I'll always be sure to search first. I want to learn as much about the Pokemon TCG as possible.

 

[Futa]

1. Can you rephrase it? I'm having a hard time understanding it.
2. Yes
3. Rephrase
4. With Bebe's Search, you search out a Pokemon. Are Pokemon Lv.X a Pokemon? Yes. So can you search them out? Yes.
5. First you do the plus/minus/multiply damage effects. Then, you see if any cards boost the amount of damage before you do damage. Then, do that damage. If any cards tell you to do extra damage afterwards, do that damage. Before you do the damage before your attack, check weakness/resistance.
6. You get to choose the order. They don't activate at the same time as well.

7. Welcome to Pokebeach!

 

[Chanman]

Answer to all the questions are in bold.

I realized I don't know as much about the TCG as I thought, so I just have a few questions I was hoping you all could answer.

1) There was a question regarding older poke-powers and newer cards with poke-powers and poke-bodies, and it was very confusing. Do newer cards that say they only affect poke-powers affect all the old cards with poke-powers (before poke-bodies were invented)? If you are talking about the old cards that say "Pokemon Power", You would need someting that can stop a body and the power to stop a Pokemon power.e.g having Dialga G Lv X in play and Mesprit's Psychic Bind Poke Power being used.

2)This one relates to the the previous one a little. Newer cards that only affect poke-bodies, do they affect older cards with poke-powers? The answer is fairly obvious, I just want to be sure. Read above.

3)Also, the older cards (before poke-bodies were invented) that say they affect poke-powers, do they affect both poke-powers and poke-bodies?Read first question

4)Can you search out a Pokemon Lv. X with a card like Bebe's Search? The reason I ask is because a question on the test had a question like this, and I said you could search out a lv. x with a card that says search for a pokemon, and I got the answer wrong.When a card says search for a Pokemon, it includes Lv X Pokemon. It is still a Pokemon. Note on older cards that say "search for a basic or evolution card" that includes Lv Xs. Lv Xs weren't created back then.

5)How does damage calculation work? (By this I mean, what comes first after base damage, is it trainers, energy card effects, any other effects, weakness, resistance, damage counters, etc.)
It is Damage first, with any multipliers. Then check Weakness/Resistance. Then any other damage is added unless specified. Note it may be different with Dual type Pokemon.

6)If a pokemon has 10 HP remaining, is poisoned and your opponent's active pokemon is flygon with irritating buzz, does the poison damage and buzz damage hit at the same time, letting you send out a pokemon with no damage counters? Or does poison kill the first pokemon, then irritating buzz does 10 to the new pokemon?
All effects are done in between turns before KOs are checked. In some cases, the Player whose Pokemon is affected gets to choose the order.
Those are all the questions I have for now, if any of them can be answered I would really appreciate it. I'm sure I'll have some more, but I'll always be sure to search first. I want to learn as much about the Pokemon TCG as possible.
Most answers are in the Compendium. Make sure to check there first!

EDIT:Here's the Compendium! http://compendium.pokegym.net/compendium-lvx.html

 

[The Pain]

Is this actually fair that were giving away answers to the prof test, doesn't that kinda cheapen what its worth to people who had to retake the exam 3 times to pass, I'd understand answering 1 or 2 questions that might appear in different threads by different people that relate to the same style of question but these questions have been sent right across from a failing email
btw that irritating buzz question bugged me to but it is in the compendium Lv. X so you should do fine.

 

[Devastator]

well how can you say its not fair to give the answers to the questions in the professor test for 2 reasons

1. you can look for the answers anyway in the compendium. all you have to do is look, so technically they are there for everyone to see.

2. the questions constantly change. so the next time they do it the chances of the questions appearing again are random and they may get new ones they can't answer.

basically a bit of common sense and the compendium and your all ready to go. plus it doesn't hurt to ask if you are unsure

 

[The Pain]

well how can you say its not fair to give the answers to the questions in the professor test for 2 reasons

1. you can look for the answers anyway in the compendium. all you have to do is look, so technically they are there for everyone to see.

2. the questions constantly change. so the next time they do it the chances of the questions appearing again are random and they may get new ones they can't answer.

basically a bit of common sense and the compendium and your all ready to go. plus it doesn't hurt to ask if you are unsure

seeing ya point i might be abit bitter because i didn't turn to anyone, but as long as the majority agree that its not cheating

 

[Kronar]

While taking the Professor Test you are allowed to have any resource you wish open. Basically, it's a test of how well you can use the Compendium or other rules document. Unless you have someone take your Professor Test for you, you can't really be cheating.

 

[dmaster]

I thought if you minimize the test of switch to a new document, it times out and you're left with that score...?

dmaster out.

 

[Kronar]

I thought if you minimize the test of switch to a new document, it times out and you're left with that score...?

dmaster out.

Uh... no? Some of those questions can't really be answered without knowing the Compendium or other rules document like the back of your hand, or having them open while taking the test. There were a few that I could have probably gotten right had I had resources open, but meh, my computer was being stupid. >:[

 

[dmaster]

If you refresh the page during the exam or if you navigate away from the page, the system will register this as a time out, and you will be locked out of the exam, as described above.

What does this mean then?

dmaster out.

 

[Kronar]

If you refresh the page during the exam or if you navigate away from the page, the system will register this as a time out, and you will be locked out of the exam, as described above.

What does this mean then?

dmaster out.

Refresh is obvious, navigate away would be, I assume, go to a different page within that same window. As in, going from the URL for the Professor Test to some other URL. I don't really see how it would be able to tell if you switch windows or tabs, so yeah...

 

[Juliacoolo]

^Or, open a new tab in your browser.

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Or hit alt_tab to switch. But then again, that minimizes it.

 

[dmaster]

Hmmm, I perceived that differently then. Yeah, you can have the Compendium open while you take it, so that can make it easier. :]

dmaster out.

 

[The Pain]

but will you have the compendium with you while you acting as a prof, i've never seen it, the test is to see if you know the errata, your not always going to have it to hand in a tournament.

 

[Kronar]

but will you have the compendium with you while you acting as a prof, I've never seen it, the test is to see if you know the errata, your not always going to have it to hand in a tournament.

You may not have it in your hands, but generally someone can pull up the Compendium on a computer. Also, a TO wouldn't let someone judge a tournament if they don't know what they're doing. If a judge can't recall a simple ruling without the help of the Compendium they shouldn't be judging. Erratas can be tricky things, that's why the Compendium exists, so that you can check it when you need to if you are not sure about something.

 

[Emerald.]

but will you have the compendium with you while you acting as a prof, I've never seen it, the test is to see if you know the errata, your not always going to have it to hand in a tournament.

You may not have it in your hands, but generally someone can pull up the Compendium on a computer. Also, a TO wouldn't let someone judge a tournament if they don't know what they're doing. If a judge can't recall a simple ruling without the help of the Compendium they shouldn't be judging. Erratas can be tricky things, that's why the Compendium exists, so that you can check it when you need to if you are not sure about something.

[/quote]

I agree, yes, you can pull up the Compendium on the computer, but what are the chances that this is needed in a tournament. Most of us have seen, and I've helped out with the judging or larger scale tournaments, just with basic ruling. The TO is the one i turn to, if i have questions to ask, but if its a serious error such as cheating, or touching an opponenet deck without permission from the opponent, then the Judge or TO have to be called over.

I have never once, seen someone pull up the Compendium on the computer, or have a printed out version of it. Yes, theres a lot to remember, but its only like taking any normal tests...only this one you want to do. I wasn't allowed help sheets in my GCSE's why should this be different...just because its fun? POP are just trusting us, not to open the windows which is why the timing out thing happens.

This is just my opinion.

 

[AmishEskimoNinja]

The professor test questions are so badly written sometimes you need all the help you can get. I've single handedly found 3 questions that were outright wrong and got them fixed.

 

[Emerald.]

Personally, I just think that you should teach yourself the knowledge before taking the test, yes the questions may be badly written and that is beyond our control, but I also believe that the more we teach ourselves before we take the test, the more we (or at least i would be) more confident in my abilities to make the correct decisions.

The test isn't just about the cards its also on other aspects of what your have to do as TO or Judge.

 

[festizzio]

Personally, I just think that you should teach yourself the knowledge before taking the test, yes the questions may be badly written and that is beyond our control, but I also believe that the more we teach ourselves before we take the test, the more we (or at least I would be) more confident in my abilities to make the correct decisions.

The test isn't just about the cards its also on other aspects of what your have to do as TO or Judge.

Why would they e-mail you the questions you got wrong if they didn't want you to look them up after the test and see why? My first attempt was without any help at all, and I got a 25 out of 40. I got a lot of the questions wrong because I simply wasn't reading them well enough, or I was overthinking them. So I waited two weeks, and after inquiring about just four of the questions I got wrong (29 out of 40 still isn't enough to pass the test, mind you), I passed with a 34 out of 40.

The way I see it is, I never would have looked up any of the answers, or have even half the knowledge I do now of Pokemon, if I didn't fail the test the first time. Feel free to memorize the compendium and the rules on the official site before taking the test, but me, I'd rather learn from my mistakes than try to find a needle in a haystack. (the needle being the test questions, haystack being the compendium in case you didn't get that)

 

[ApachePrime]

Personally, I just think that you should teach yourself the knowledge before taking the test, yes the questions may be badly written and that is beyond our control, but I also believe that the more we teach ourselves before we take the test, the more we (or at least I would be) more confident in my abilities to make the correct decisions.

The test isn't just about the cards its also on other aspects of what your have to do as TO or Judge.

Why would they e-mail you the questions you got wrong if they didn't want you to look them up after the test and see why? My first attempt was without any help at all, and I got a 25 out of 40. I got a lot of the questions wrong because I simply wasn't reading them well enough, or I was overthinking them. So I waited two weeks, and after inquiring about just four of the questions I got wrong (29 out of 40 still isn't enough to pass the test, mind you), I passed with a 34 out of 40.

The way I see it is, I never would have looked up any of the answers, or have even half the knowledge I do now of Pokemon, if I didn't fail the test the first time. Feel free to memorize the compendium and the rules on the official site before taking the test, but me, I'd rather learn from my mistakes than try to find a needle in a haystack. (the needle being the test questions, haystack being the compendium in case you didn't get that)

This is still extremely against the rules. Your post would've been deleted from the OP and PG forums. You're asking people to give direct answers to questions directly from the test, this IS cheating. Anyone who gave answers also risks losing their professorship. I would suggest this thread be deleted before anyone gets into trouble they didn't forsee.

The bottom line is, you won't be an effective judge if you don't know a good portion of the compendium. You don't need to have it memorized, but a lot of it is stuff that you WILL see again and knowing those old rulings will make it better for you AND your players. If you have no intention of judging... Then why are you taking the prof test? If you do intend to judge, you owe it to the players you'll be judging to know as much about the game as possible. Making a bad call hurts the integrity of the game as a whole.