Steelix (Prime) from Unleashed (#87) [6/2]

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Guiding questions:
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
5. How's the artwork?

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1. On it's own, It's VERY good. This card does not need that much to support it. You could use Nidoqueen to heal it, but that's about it. Other than of course Flygon.

2. That's still up in the air right now.

3. Flygon RR. To lessen the retreat cost. And Nidoqueen for rapid healing.

4. I give it 3/5. It's good, but a tad slow for this format. However, the first attack and DCE does speed it up a tad.

5. Artworks actually pretty cool, I like it.

(First yet again! Wow.)
 
1.) It's not good enough just yet. Its costly attacks and huge Retreat Cost makes this card difficult to play. Yeah, the Body is great, but you're going to need support.

2.) None as of right now.

3.) Lots of Claydol and Uxie. Double Colorless Energy are a must, no matter how much you say it isn't, and you're going to need to get this guy out fast. Gaia Crush isn't bad, but it costs a lot. It takes four turns to charge Steelix Prime up: two for Metal Energy, one for DCE, and one for whatever. You can abuse Felicity's and Energy Stream for dead Energy cards, which is a plus, but the problem is that you're up against much stronger decks. Expert Belt would be helpful in this situation, so you could hopefully pump out 120. PlusPower and bunches of Crobat G drops would also be nice to have.

4.) 2/5. I could see a rogue deck played around this card, but it's not worth running at tournaments.

5.) Beastly. Nice job Kawahara.
 
Ah, my first real card review...

1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
I'd say this card is one of those cards that's good or it's bad; you love it or you hate it. On one hand, it has MASSIVE HP for a Stage 1, can't be afflicted by Special Conditions, can abuse special metal energies, has energy acceleration, and can do 100 damage for no drawbacks. On the other hand, it has one of the largest retreat costs in the game(Hello, Luxray), Gaia Crush is very expensive, and it has a weakness to popular new fire Pokémon such as Charizard and the new LEGENDs. To play Steelix Prime, you need to have a deck focused around it. You can't just tech it into a deck and call it a day.

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
I have almost zero knowledge about the metagame, so I can't exactly answer this well. My guess is that Steelix Prime, despite his well-deserved spot even as an underdog, isn't played.

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
Well, Flygon RR and Magnezone DP combo with it. Expert Belt and Nidoqueen RR are necessities to keep this tank alive, which just might give it enough time to charge itself for Gaia Crush. I guess you could combo it with Ninetales HGSS to dump energies to put on Steelix with its attack. I can't really think of any other combos, though...

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
3.5/5
This is a perfect example of a great card that just happened to drop in on a format that's just not fit for it. In this case, the format is WAY too fast. I'm talking about donks, super sniping, spreading, disruption, all sorts of stuff that Steelix can't really do. But for what it can do, it outclasses many, many other cards in its ability to do so.

5. How's the artwork?
Well, I love Steelix. It's easily one of my favorite Pokémon, so for me, it's pretty much an instant 5/5. And I know that's what the Primes are supposed to be, but I'm not a big fan of the close-up...for that, I give the art a 4 out of 5.
 
1. I think it's... okay. It's not meant to be in this format right now though. It's too slow, and the retreat cost is way too big. Perfect metal is nice, though.
2. None. I don't see him getting a meta-game deck either.
3. Flygon and Nidoqueen can be good combos. Skuntank G can be an interesting combo as well. Along with Weezing GE, that could be interesting.
4. 2/5. I don't like him personally, but he can be useful in certain situations.
5. 2/5 His chin is wayyyyyy to big. He's got a weird look on his face as well. Not the best.
 
1. Yes it does, the main characteristic of this card is to work alone and it actually does good.
2. The deck i don't know, but it is a great stall-er.
3. As i previously stated, it is a great stall-er for a mid game combo or last blow combo, the last blow makes it worth while since you have to have some energy cards in your discard pile.
4. 5 out 5 stars i love this card and by being so cool, it is a reminder that the old generation hasn't died and replaced, but resurrected.
5. Very nice artwork works very good with the prime line and also puts steelixes good side in front view.

Commentary:
This card reminds me of the first steelix i saw and for that feeling alone i love that an old friend comes revamped and ready to kick some serious butt.
 
This card has some real power behind it. With the DCE and being able to attach an extra energy and hot for 30 while doing it makes set up a little less painful. Set up is still slow but if you pull it off is pay handsomely. Belted Steelix Prime is a tank.
It's not involved in any main meta game deck as of yet.
Steelix could be paired up with Nidoqueen for healing allowing it to tank for that much longer but there's not a whole lot else yet he works well with. Flygon to reduce that massive retreat is one other option.
I'd say 3.5/5 stars. It's powerful and can take a lot of hits but is slow and doesn't have a lot of useful support just yet.
Personally I really like the artwork, it give Steelix a very awesome look.
 
Pokefan4000 said:
Ah, my first real card review...

1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
I'd say this card is one of those cards that's good or it's bad; you love it or you hate it. On one hand, it has MASSIVE HP for a Stage 1, can't be afflicted by Special Conditions, can abuse special metal energies, has energy acceleration, and can do 100 damage for no drawbacks. On the other hand, it has one of the largest retreat costs in the game(Hello, Luxray), Gaia Crush is very expensive, and it has a weakness to popular new fire Pokémon such as Charizard and the new LEGENDs. To play Steelix Prime, you need to have a deck focused around it. You can't just tech it into a deck and call it a day.

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
I have almost zero knowledge about the metagame, so I can't exactly answer this well. My guess is that Steelix Prime, despite his well-deserved spot even as an underdog, isn't played.

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
Well, Flygon RR and Magnezone DP combo with it. Expert Belt and Nidoqueen RR are necessities to keep this tank alive, which just might give it enough time to charge itself for Gaia Crush. I guess you could combo it with Ninetales HGSS to dump energies to put on Steelix with its attack. I can't really think of any other combos, though...

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
3.5/5
This is a perfect example of a great card that just happened to drop in on a format that's just not fit for it. In this case, the format is WAY too fast. I'm talking about donks, super sniping, spreading, disruption, all sorts of stuff that Steelix can't really do. But for what it can do, it outclasses many, many other cards in its ability to do so.

5. How's the artwork?
Well, I love Steelix. It's easily one of my favorite Pokémon, so for me, it's pretty much an instant 5/5. And I know that's what the Primes are supposed to be, but I'm not a big fan of the close-up...for that, I give the art a 4 out of 5.
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You could as well tech togekiss for more energy.
 
1. How is the card on its own?

Um...... I don't like it on its own. Special Conditions are canceled sure, but that HUGE retreat cost and energy investment are a bit bothersome. Weakness to Fire is OK since Fire types are not dominant right now. If he were weak to Fighting or Water, I wouldn't even be posting here. My review would be "It's bad, let's move on". Removing the Stadium is cool, but for FIVE it's a long wait and by the time Steelix can use it the Stadium has probably done its job, or at least set your opponent up enough that they'll just shrug off losing the Stadium.

2. Metagame options?

Probably none. Sorry bud.

3. What combos?

Metagross (UL) comes to mind, and perhaps Conductive Quarry?

4. How good is it?

.... Meh. Too slow, too clunky, 3/5.

5. Artwork?

The artwork is actually cool. One of the best PRIMES I've seen, so I'll give it a 4/5.
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
i think is a good and potential for the next scizor prime partner

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
i used with my flygon lv x, so this deck will discard any stadium in play...lol

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
i think if with flygon lv x u can have a free reatreat for steelix and also no need play any stadium in that deck

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
4 stars

5. How's the artwork?
nice, it shows how beast is steelix...lol
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
i don't support this card at all. it's not a good at all. 2 for 30? 5 for 100? would you do that. ya it can counter nothing and it can be countered by DGX

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
it could be used with flygon but it again get countered by Dialga G X.

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
look what i said above.

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
2.5/10. it's not a good cards.

5. How's the artwork?

the only thing that's good about this cad is the art work. it's a steelix card. lol
 
1.
3 for 50 and 5 for 100 look bad,but with the right cards,turn 3 you have a Steelix Prime ready to roll.It can stand on it's own,kinda.

2.
None really.

3.
Blissey from PL.Discard a card to heal 2 damage counters off one of your Pokemon.If you discard an energy it helps even more for Steelix Prime's Energy Stream.

4.
3/5 I give it this because its a slow deck,but with the help from Special Metal Energy you can last for a while.The HP is great for a stage 1 or 2.

5.
I find the weird grin he has to suit Steelix well.
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?
alone no, but in the right deck can rule..140 hp :) dce..tjis card have too much potencial.
2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?
now steelix have no space in the metagame, on PL-on yes.
3. What combos can you use it with? How so?
the new suporters Engineer's Adjustments, Interviewer's Questions,dce, metagross, togekiss, nidoqueen
4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).
4/5 is slow for now..
5. How's the artwork?
I like :)
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?

I think you guys are not thinking practically. Yes, It as a large retreat, but why would it need to retreat? It has a massive amount of HP, only helped by Special Metal Energy, and it can never have a Special Condition. So what if it has a huge retreat? He won't really ever need to be retreating! The large energy costs are a set back, however, if you can discard Special metal Energies (felicities, Regi) then youll be able to attach two energies a turn with a DCE for Energy Stream

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?

I think in the not so distant future, the meta will be slowed down (once SPs are gone, can't wait). A lot of the cards seem to be trending to a slower meta (with exceptions of course).

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?

The main combos everyone is saying of course, Nidoqueen, Flygon. Anything that will maximize this guy's tanking ability.

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).

I give it a 3.5. It certainly has potential, but until the meta game slows down, he will be overshadowed by the faster cards.

5. How's the artwork?

It's not terrible, but I think Steelix has a lot more interesting angles than a close up on his chin... 2/5
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?

This card has huge potential, it can tank with special metals and nidoqueen. It is also a stage 1 making it a tad quicker, however the retreat cost and the cost to attack do hinder it.

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?

I could definitely see it being played in Flygon

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?

I think with flygon purely since they both benefit from the DCE, they also share their love of a nidoqueen and both share stadium hatred.

Also since flygon allows free retreat, it allows steelix to be more versatile on the field.

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).

3.5/5 purely because it is a playable card without a shadow of a doubt however its high energy cost is what does it for me and is the cards down fall.

5. How's the artwork?

Decent, its a picture of the pokemons head. Not much else :/
 
1. How does the card stand on its own? Is it good, bad, or have potential? Is it worth being played?

Well, I could definitly see this card later format, when and if speed becomes less of a staple. But its kinda terrible right now. Even if Flygon and Nidoqueen are teched with him, Steelix will just be out-speeded.

2. What popular metagame decks is it used in?

None at the moment.

3. What combos can you use it with? How so?

Flygon and Nidoqueen, but I don't think it will make much of a difference. Skunktank G and Wigglytuff GE are also possibilities.

4. Give it a rating, and explain why you have given it that rating. You can also rate the card by rating the thread itself (out of 5 stars).

3/5. Half because he has potential, half because he kinda stinks now.

5. How's the artwork?

All chin.
 
1.I think this card is overkill on it's own.special conditions like paralyzed and stadiums like dawn stadiumare really irritating. 100 damage, what else could you want.
2. what's a metagame??
3.stormfront magnezone for additional energy.
4.4.5/5 the reason to run a metal deck.
5.2/5 A dissapointment of steelix.
 
I can't see this card working in in any deck right now, its just too slow. Even if Flygon and Nidoqueen are helping him, Steelix is still to slow.

None yet.

Flygon and Nidoqueen would help. Skuntank G maybe.

2/5. Good only if it has 5 energy on it.

It's OK. 3/5.
 
1. I think Steelix might be ok on it's own, considering the ability to block special conditions (think.....Blaziken FB, Gliscor Lv. X...) and the stadium discard could mess with your opponent's strategy.....by the time you get Steelix powered up, it may not be worth it. I believe Steelix deserves a chance, though. However, I do not like x2 weakness.

2. I personally don't know of anyone who plays this card, although I got thrashed at this set's prerelease by Steelix (the only useful card I had was the Sudowoodo that does 20x damage per energy....on Sudowoodo.)

3. Has anyone heard of the BLS deck??? It's not in the current format, but I would use the same main strategy here.....Use a rain dancer to get Steelix loads of energy...and probably Bronzong SF to get metal; discard with Volkner's, Engineer, or Felicity's and use Energy Stream (which only requires colorless energy!) BTW, this card reminds me of Regigigas....I think I used a similar power-up strategy with it- i.e. the discard pile.

4. I think Steelix deserves a 4/5. It's often overlooked, but with the next set rotation Steelix could be a terror. The loss of Rosanne's Research will force more creative ways of getting energy. Just watch out for Charizard and hard-hitting SPs like Infernape and Blaziken. Even then, Steelix's body Body and HP might slow their progress. Expert Belt would be great, but Steelix desperately needs retreat aids, too. >_<

5. Do you have to ask? It's totally awesome!!! I love the metallic look. But, if you want to be stingy at least it's better than Crobat Prime. XD
 
1. it's a great card, it's good. It can't have a condition, what's better than that, it should be able to get it's energies easy enough and great HP

2.no idea

3. colorless energies and pokemon that increase energy usage

4.I would give it a four because of it's retreat cost and it's big weakness
5. it's good but not my favorite art
 
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