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Steelix/Scizor deck feedback wanted 2012

scottstein001

scottstein001

Aspiring Trainer
Member
Pokemon:
4-3 steelix prime -steelix UL
3-3 scizor UD
3-3 cherrim UL
3 skarmory UD
2 druddigon NV
2 cobalion NV

Trainers/Supporters:
2 potion
3 pokemon comm
3 greatball
1 heavyball
2 poke collector
2 bianca
2 engineers adj
4 interviewers questions

Energy:
8 metal
2 DCE
4 sp metal

Future adjustments:
3 scizors for scizor prime
1 heavyball and 1 greatball for 2 rocky helmets

Deck plan:
-use skarmory to get sp metal on scizor for early game
-druddigon with rocky helmet for stalling
-have steelix prime on bench with one DCE ready to replace scizor
-energy stream and interviewers to add/retrieve sp metals for steelix
-load bench with cherrim
-use cobalion/scizor to counter mewtwo Ex decks aswell as give as fighting chance vs fire decks

It took a while to complete and i understand the increase in fire competitive decks but this deck can go toe to toe with most decks aswell as it is less mainstream (which i prefer more indy strategy decks) than fire/electric and mewtwo decks. Lots of fun to use and very versatile.
 
I don't think that cherrim will be particularly helpful to this deck since it only heals 1 damage counter. Usually getting out energies will not be a problem so I think that IQ is not needed. Engineer's adjustments don't seem that helpful to this deck because you want to focus on scizor. I'd rather have cobalion as a backup attacker because its attack is better than steelix's in a way. Potion will also not help because now only OHKOs are common because of all the big basics. I think Bianca is also not that great of a drawing supporter, so I think a t/s/s should look more like this in my opinion
4 collector
3-4 communication
3 catcher
4 PONT
2 Juniper
3 Junk Arm
2 Twins
3 switch
1 super rod(maybe)

This is just a skeleton for the t/s/s and I think some things might still be wrong with this but I think it is better
 
I could see why he would want Engineer's if he wanted to use Energy stream. I really dislike Steelix now. 5 energy for only 100 and a 4 retreat cost really doesnt cut it for me. I guess you could add something like Klingklank or shaymin to move energies gotten from energy stream to Scizor/cobalion
 
Mokoko said:
I could see why he would want Engineer's if he wanted to use Energy stream. I really dislike Steelix now. 5 energy for only 100 and a 4 retreat cost really doesnt cut it for me. I guess you could add something like Klingklank or shaymin to move energies gotten from energy stream to Scizor/cobalion
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I liked the idea when there weren't any ex's around cause I could avoid being statused and retrieve my sp metal energy. With 4 sp metal he does have 180 hp which is solid as well as a -20 resistance to physic type. As for klingklank, which also has a high retreat cost, is a stage three which i was trying to aviod (tried to use aggron and metagross instead of steelix). cherrims are fast and combined with potions allow nice rebound when heavily damaged.

Jirachi said:
I don't think that cherrim will be particularly helpful to this deck since it only heals 1 damage counter. Usually getting out energies will not be a problem so I think that IQ is not needed. Engineer's adjustments don't seem that helpful to this deck because you want to focus on scizor. I'd rather have cobalion as a backup attacker because its attack is better than steelix's in a way. Potion will also not help because now only OHKOs are common because of all the big basics. I think Bianca is also not that great of a drawing supporter, so I think a t/s/s should look more like this in my opinion
4 collector
3-4 communication
3 catcher
4 PONT
2 Juniper
3 Junk Arm
2 Twins
3 switch
1 super rod(maybe)

This is just a skeleton for the t/s/s and I think some things might still be wrong with this but I think it is better
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switch and twins would be useful, but i think 4 collectors is unnecessary. I dont like Junipers or junk arm cause of the discard part
 
Well, thats why I added super rod. I think 4 collector is more consistent, but its just a preference thing. Its just a skeleton. Junk arm is for catcher and juniper is a pretty good draw power.
 
Jirachi said:
Well, thats why I added super rod. I think 4 collector is more consistent, but its just a preference thing. Its just a skeleton.
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imo it is unnecessary, much rather use engineers
 
This is my Metal deck.

Klinklang (BW) x1
Klang (EP) x2
Klink (EP) x2
Klink (BW) x1
Bisharp (NV) x2
Pawniard (NV) x3
Scizor Prime (UD) x2
Scyther (UD) x2
Steelix Prime (UL) x1
Onix (UL 57) x2
Cobalion (NV) x1
Skarmory (CL) x1

Great Ball x3
Pokemon Communication x3
Switch x1
Poke Ball x1
Potion x1

Elm's x3
Copycat x2
Interviewer's x2
Engineer's x2
P.O.N.T x1
N x1

Special Metal x4
Metal Energy x15
D.C.E x1

Has beat every meta game deck except Chandalure. Cobalion, Steelix and Klinklang destroy Durant. Beat two Reshiphlosion decks at Tucson Arizona cities on New Years. Even Electrick decks can't stop the energy stacking power and disruption of Scizor's Red Armor. The Truth can't keep up with Cobalion and Bisharp. Missed top cut after 2 losses from Chandalure decks. Cobalion, Steelix and Scizor tear Mewtwo-EX apart (Yes people, Mewtwo isn't all that great).

I like the deck the way it is, but you can change is as you like, but in my opinion, it's the best Metal Deck there is.
 
Emopanda133 said:
This is my Metal deck.

Klinklang (BW) x1
Klang (EP) x2
Klink (EP) x2
Klink (BW) x1
Bisharp (NV) x2
Pawniard (NV) x3
Scizor Prime (UD) x2
Scyther (UD) x2
Steelix Prime (UL) x1
Onix (UL 57) x2
Cobalion (NV) x1
Skarmory (CL) x1

Great Ball x3
Pokemon Communication x3
Switch x1
Poke Ball x1
Potion x1

Elm's x3
Copycat x2
Interviewer's x2
Engineer's x2
P.O.N.T x1
N x1

Special Metal x4
Metal Energy x15
D.C.E x1

Has beat every meta game deck except Chandalure. Cobalion, Steelix and Klinklang destroy Durant. Beat two Reshiphlosion decks at Tucson Arizona cities on New Years. Even Electrick decks can't stop the energy stacking power and disruption of Scizor's Red Armor. The Truth can't keep up with Cobalion and Bisharp. Missed top cut after 2 losses from Chandalure decks. Cobalion, Steelix and Scizor tear Mewtwo-EX apart (Yes people, Mewtwo isn't all that great).

I like the deck the way it is, but you can change is as you like, but in my opinion, it's the best Metal Deck there is.
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It's intresting, but I'd be worried about something getting prized with how spread the pokemon are. I guess i cant say until I've seen/tried it. Unfortunately i don't own any klingklangs

Why pokeball and bisharp btw? And mewtwo is still a problem cause if u cant get cobalion set up in three and mewtwo isnt using DCE there still is a major problem.
 
scottstein001 said:
It's intresting, but I'd be worried about something getting prized with how spread the pokemon are. I guess i cant say until I've seen/tried it. Unfortunately i don't own any klingklangs


Why pokeball and bisharp btw?

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Bisharp get's energies back and the more energies on him, the stronger he is. Poke all for speed basically. The prized problem only happens if it's Klinklang, but you take prizes so fast, it really doesn't matter.
 
Emopanda133 said:
Bisharp get's energies back and the more energies on him, the stronger he is. Poke all for speed basically. The prized problem only happens if it's Klinklang, but you take prizes so fast, it really doesn't matter.
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So if i used bisharp instead of steelix I have the potential to get 4 sp metal energy on him and the attack is doing 120 dmg for the 4 energies. I still like having the perfect metal ability on steelix to avoid status effects buch bisharp does look more efficient.
 
They have their ups and downs. Steelix needs more energy to use his second attack, but is very useful when battling a Chandalure deck. Bisharp can do more damage, but has lower Hp. Experiment with both, my deck revolves more around Klinklang than anyone else anyways. The way my deck sets up, if I know what they're running, I know who I want out first.
 
Emopanda133 said:
They have their ups and downs. Steelix needs more energy to use his second attack, but is very useful when battling a Chandalure deck. Bisharp can do more damage, but has lower Hp. Experiment with both, my deck revolves more around Klinklang than anyone else anyways. The way my deck sets up, if I know what they're running, I know who I want out first.
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I will have to look for these two cards next time I'm at the league. Thanks for the advice, I'll play around a little more with it. :)
 
This deck definitely needs the Scizor Primes, especially since most decks will now have a ton of Special energies.
-2 Potion
-2 Bianca

+4 PONT

You need more draw support in this deck.
 
VictiniMan said:
This deck definitely needs the Scizor Primes, especially since most decks will now have a ton of Special energies.
-2 Potion
-2 Bianca

+4 PONT

You need more draw support in this deck.
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I was thinking PONT since bianca doesnt help if u have 6 cards already (which seems to only happen when i have bianca in my hand) :(

I think I'll swap those, but i find the potions useful every so often (especially with it now being 3)
 
Well, potion only heals 30, and if they give you damage that doesn't OHKO it, then it is likely that even after a potion that they would still KO you. It's just my preference. Instead of IQ, I would use cilan instead since it is more consistent. 4 IQ isn't that useful since getting out energies will usually not be a big problem, so I would replace it with a couple of Cilan.
 
Jirachi said:
Well, potion only heals 30, and if they give you damage that doesn't OHKO it, then it is likely that even after a potion that they would still KO you. It's just my preference. Instead of IQ, I would use cilan instead since it is more consistent. 4 IQ isn't that useful since getting out energies will usually not be a big problem, so I would replace it with a couple of Cilan.
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Do you think if I replace 2 IQ with 2 Cilan it would help? IQ is still helpful cause it can get sp energy out rather than basic, but as you said it can be inconsistent.
 
Jirachi said:
Well, potion only heals 30, and if they give you damage that doesn't OHKO it, then it is likely that even after a potion that they would still KO you. It's just my preference. Instead of IQ, I would use cilan instead since it is more consistent. 4 IQ isn't that useful since getting out energies will usually not be a big problem, so I would replace it with a couple of Cilan.
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In any deck that runs special energies which are vital for the deck, I.e the special metals, IQ is better. In all metal decks, you want those four specials to be the first four energies you play, which you can't do with Cilan. If anything take out 1 IQ for a Cilan, but that's a stretch, you want a lot of energy, and a quick way to get special metals onto Scizor and Cobalion, IQ is better.
 
Emopanda133 said:
In any deck that runs special energies which are vital for the deck, I.e the special metals, IQ is better. In all metal decks, you want those four specials to be the first four energies you play, which you can't do with Cilan. If anything take out 1 IQ for a Cilan, but that's a stretch, you want a lot of energy, and a quick way to get special metals onto Scizor and Cobalion, IQ is better.
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Hmm, not sure what to do now. I will do some further trail/error and see how both scenarios work.
 
I use to run a metal deck and in my opinion Skarnory is a much more reliable way to got out special metals than IQ. I would bump it up to 4.

I think you can drop Steelix. Getting back special metals is nice, but his attacks just require way too much energy. Do what others said and drop him for Bisharp who can both recover energy and function as an attacker.

An idea to keep in mind is moving energy with Klinklang, using max potion, than moving it back. It's a real pain for pokemon that can't OHKO your guys.

Also, since Reshiram EX is popping up you might want to consider Levanny or something.
 
ChaosBlack said:
I use to run a metal deck and in my opinion Skarnory is a much more reliable way to got out special metals than IQ. I would bump it up to 4.

I think you can drop Steelix. Getting back special metals is nice, but his attacks just require way too much energy. Do what others said and drop him for Bisharp who can both recover energy and function as attacker.

An idea to keep in mind is moving energy with Klinklang, using max potion, than moving it back. It's a real pain for pokemon that can't OHKO your guys.

Also, since Reshiram EX is popping up you might want to consider Levanny or something.
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Levanny seems to be a great option. Do u know of anything 1 stage with similar tech. If I have a way to remove weakness I think I could still stick with steelix (bisharp is more efficient, but I favor steelix for two reasons: No Status effects and I already own 3, which were a pain to collect)
 
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