Ruling Team Magma Belt

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If you search your deck with Team Magma Belt but don't find the evolution (if it's Prized, for instance), do you still discard the tool because you searched, or keep it because you found nothing?
 
Probably discard because you searched. The current rulings seem to state that a deck search is enough to consider a card used, even if it fails (intentionally or not).
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Probably discard because you searched. The current rulings seem to state that a deck search is enough to consider a card used, even if it fails (intentionally or not).
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Is that possible for all searching trainers? Could I use Team Magma Belt or Prof. Elm's Training Method just to see what's in my deck and get it shuffled without actually choosing anything? Just curious. :D
 
Cool, so my "Get a looksie at my deck and free shuffle with Palkia's Spacial Rend when I have no Stadiums in the deck build" idea works?
 
Yep. The deck is not public information. You're not required to prove that there's no target card for a search.

The only search you can't do this with is something like Furret SW's Keen Eye ("Search your deck for up to 2 cards"). Obviously you have cards in your deck, so you must take at least one. But a search for a specific card or card type can fail intentionally.
 
Zero is never allowed when something says "up to X". You must take at least one.

Compendium said:
Q. Delcatty's "Energy Draw" Poké-POWER states: "Once during your turn (before your attack), you may discard 1 energy card from your hand. Then draw up to 3 cards from your deck." Can you discard the energy and not draw because it states "draw UP TO 3 cards"?
A. No. If you discard an Energy card, you must draw at least 1 card from your deck. If you don't have any cards left in your deck, you can't use this power. When a card says "draw up to X cards", it addresses a range of 1 to X. (Jul 19, 2007 PUI Rules Team)
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Compendium said:
Q. Can I use Dunsparce's Strike and Run and get zero Pokémon, even though I have room on my Bench, and Basic Pokémon left in my deck?
A. Yes. Dunsparce states "up to" which includes zero. (Mar 25, 2004 PUI Rules Team)
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Chairman Kaga, is the ruling you quoted a reversal of this? Or is Dunsparce just a special case and the whole "zero is never allowed" always been the standard?
 
His is a draw example. A search that specifies a certain type of card can always fail, as he said before. You don't have to prove that you have no basics, therefore the card's effect ends as if there were none if you choose it to. Delcatty can't draw 0 cards because you can't fail to draw 1 card (and if you can the power can't be used anyway).
 
Oh ho. Should have read it more clearly. Draw up to X. I got it.

So search cards you can pick zero, but when drawing, it's common knowledge that you have cards to draw, so you have to draw at least one?

And while I'm on the subject, is it a rule that you have to specify how many you're drawing before you start drawing, if you don't want to draw 3 if X is 3?
 
Pimpwalkin' Mateo Johnson said:
Oh ho. Should have read it more clearly. Draw up to X. I got it.

So search cards you can pick zero, but when drawing, it's common knowledge that you have cards to draw, so you have to draw at least one?
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Yep. Although that Dunsparce ruling should really be looked at again in light of more recent rulings. The current stance is that zero is not an option in "up to X" situations -- it still works out for Dunsparce because you can choose to fail the search, but that ruling is confusing things.

Pimpwalkin' Mateo Johnson said:
And while I'm on the subject, is it a rule that you have to specify how many you're drawing before you start drawing, if you don't want to draw 3 if X is 3?
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Yes. If you do not declare before drawing, you are assumed to have declared the maximum.
 
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