BW/BW2 Team Plasma leadership... makes no sense?

Noobnerd

Noobnerd

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Ever since I finished the main story of BW this question has been on my mind.

We know that Ghetsis raised N (or by inference, fathered him), and had tremendous influence among the Seven Sages, being the chessmaster behind everything anyway.

So:

  1. Since Ghetsis was already in control, why did he make N the 'King' of Team Plasma?
  2. If the answer to Q1 is for Ghetsis to use N as a puppet... Why? That also doesn't really make sense.
  3. A teenage leader of a criminal organisation? Whattttttttt?

Any ideas?
 
I love over thinking story lines.

Anyway, I think that Ghestis was using N as a puppet so it wouldn't look like Ghestis was evil, it would look like N was evil. After N got defeated though, Ghestis had no choice but to challenge the main character himself.
 
Maybe he wanted him to be in full control so N could run the group after he became too old to do so.
 
The legendary hero N befriended Zekrom/Reshiram so he is the one who can control the dragon, so Ghetsis has to use him as his puppet. Ghetsis gave the player the possibility to come to the castle because he also wanted to summon the other dragon, if possible. If N won maybe the other dragon would have recognized N too as the real hero? Also, maybe N has more charm as a king?
The real king who plans everything behind the scenes would anyway be Ghetsis.
 
I think:

1) Ghetsis didn't want to be responsible for his crimes in Team Plasma, so he used N as a puppet in hope that he would get the blame for Team Plasma's misdoings.

2) See number one ^ ^ ^

3) See number one again ^ ^ ^ ^
 
Ghetsis never intended to get caught or anything. His plan had no holes... well except that there was a kid who could stop them. I'm sure that what you said is not the reason.
 
Noobnerd said:
Since Ghetsis was already in control, why did he make N the 'King' of Team Plasma?
to make him believe that he was the one in control, and that no Team Plasma grunts would act like they actually did in the game (evil, attacking Munna).

If the answer to Q1 is for Ghetsis to use N as a puppet... Why? That also doesn't really make sense.
so N would gain control of Zekrom/Reshiram (knowing the dragon wouldn't trust Ghetsis himself), and Ghetsis could later take full control over Team Plasma and the world after N's plan of forcing everyone to release their Pokemon was over.

A teenage leader of a criminal organisation? Whattttttttt?
he's 20 I think, and it wasn't that evil, as opposed to Team Galactic, or even Team Rocket.
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The answer is simple: N had the ability to befriend Reshiram/Zekrom, Ghetsitis does not. N makes for a far better icon for Team Plasma, both to the grunts and the general public. All Ghetsitis has to do is make sure that N can do what he says while still maintaining that image to the public, which is easiest to accomplish for Ghetsitis by pretending his cause is righteous and convincing N of it. As for age, there was no one else who Ghetsitis would be able to manipulate so completely from birth to do his bidding while maintaining the righteous heart needed to control a dragon.
 
Also, teenage leaders in Japanese drawn work (anime, manga, and video games) are really common. The real-life reason for this is that the main audience for most of these works are kids and teenagers, and such characters are easier for them to connect with, even if they don't behave anything like their age. In addition, such characters make the kids and teens feel empowered in a world where adults are always telling them what to do, so this audience keep coming back for more.

In-universe, there's rarely a reason given except that such a person is unusually gifted or talented or whatever. In the case of Team Plasma, it seems N is always making himself to be a Chosen One kind of guy, probably with Ghetsis's help. The Plasma Grunts and the people at large believe this and accept him despite (or perhaps because of) his age.
 
2.If the answer to Q1 is for Ghetsis to use N as a puppet... Why? That also doesn't really make sense.
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I beg to differ!
You have a puppet ruler, and you can plot behind the scenes whereas if anything goes wrong, such as arrest or other accusations of criminal activity, you have a patsy.
You just delude him into doing what you want, so that after he does all the hard work, you can just swoop in and destroy everything. Just make sure you destroy his free will first.

...whoops, didn't mean to explain it in 2nd-person there...
 
Alright, didn't do my research well enough and forgot that only N could befriend Zekrom/Reshiram. But could someone enlighten me on when exactly this happened and how Ghetsis knew that he would not be able to do so?

DNA said:
I beg to differ!
You have a puppet ruler, and you can plot behind the scenes whereas if anything goes wrong, such as arrest or other accusations of criminal activity, you have a patsy.
You just delude him into doing what you want, so that after he does all the hard work, you can just swoop in and destroy everything. Just make sure you destroy his free will first.

...whoops, didn't mean to explain it in 2nd-person there...
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In reply to this and other posts regarding the reasons for having a puppet... I don't see how Ghetsis is hiding himself? I recall him being the one going around giving speeches to convince people to do etc. and N wasn't really the public face; we didn't know that he was Team Plasma's leader at the start, didn't we?
 
Yeah I don't think he was trying to hide himself. He was pretty open about the organization.
 
safariblade said:
Yeah I don't think he was trying to hide himself. He was pretty open about the organization.
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Lol he made giant speeches in the towns with 10+ Plasma Grunts there surrounding him

I liked this plot. N was a sad case. A pawn so that he could just be thrown away. Plasma was an interesting team :D
 
In reply to this and other posts regarding the reasons for having a puppet... I don't see how Ghetsis is hiding himself? I recall him being the one going around giving speeches to convince people to do etc. and N wasn't really the public face; we didn't know that he was Team Plasma's leader at the start, didn't we?
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If I recall, his grand speeches were a front to make him look like an okay guy in the eyes of the general populace (or just confuse them), while in the meantime carrying out his ulterior motive.
I mean, why hurt the guy who says that we might be hurting Pokemon? He might have a point! But that green-haired kid that talks nonsense? He's delusional; let's lock him up in an insane asylum where he belongs.
 
Oh, now that makes sense.

Sudden thought came to my mind... imagine if we had a Pokemon game where we play as Ghetsis and the plot chronicles his rise to power.
 
I'd buy that.

And I apologize for not making sense before; I felt like I was rambling and didn't express my ideas clearly enough...and based on your response I was right. Hopefully my follow-up cleared up the gray areas, though.
 
Noobnerd said:
Oh, now that makes sense.

Sudden thought came to my mind... imagine if we had a Pokemon game where we play as Ghetsis and the plot chronicles his rise to power.
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I've always loved the idea of playing as the enemy team. Like choose Magma or Aqua and take down the other team. That would be so cool, but the thing is, Nintendo would never support the success of the 'evil bad guys'.
 
If the answer to Q1 is for Ghetsis to use N as a puppet... Why? That also doesn't really make sense.
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I think Ghetsis saw that N had potential in becoming a hero, therefore N could awaken Reshiram and Zekrom and make his Dreams become reality.

In the game it said Ghetsis was training N to be a Hero so Reshiram and Zekrom would recognize N, therefore N could befriend the Legendary Dragons and make his Dreams become reality like he tried to do in the games.
 
Pokemon ex said:
I think Ghetsis saw that N had potential in becoming a hero, therefore N could awaken Reshiram and Zekrom and make his Dreams become reality.

In the game it said Ghetsis was training N to be a Hero so Reshiram and Zekrom would recognize N, therefore N could befriend the Legendary Dragons and make his Dreams become reality like he tried to do in the games.
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This has been said many times before, why do you post if you have nothing new to contribute? Just asking...
 
Natural Gropius was just the figurehead for Ghetsis, as where Natural Gropius could control Zekrom/Reshiram Ghetsis couldn't. Also taking in Ghetsis raised Natural, Ghetsis basically has all of his complete trust, thus he was able to carry out his plot and freely say that it wasn't evil.
 
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