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The Broken Combination of Swampogre (Kyogre EX / Swampert)

Green777

Aspiring Trainer
Member
New BROKEN deck SWAMPERT (ancient trait) & PRIMAL KYOGRE ! (Keldeo is accepted as well)
Okay my list is a bit bad because I haven't found a way to combine al the stuff . I am open to ideas !
Pokemon:

  • 4x Mudkip (XY5)

    2x Marshtomp (XY5)

    4x Swampert (Ancient trait XY5)

    (Swampert - Water - HP140
    Stage 2 - Evolves from Marshtomp

    α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.

    Ability: Diving Search
    Once during your turn (before your attack), you may search your deck for any 1 card. Shuffle your deck, then place that card on top of your deck.

    [C][C][C] Hydro Pump: 40+ damage. Does 30 more damage for each [W] Energy attached to Swampert.

    Weakness: Grass (x2)
    Resistance: none
    Retreat: 3)

    2-3x Kyogre EX (XY5)

    Kyogre-EX - Water - HP180
    Basic Pokemon

    [W][C] Water Pulse: 30 damage. Your opponent's Active Pokemon is now Asleep.
    [W][W][C][C] Giant Vortex: 140 damage. Return 2 [W] Energy attached to this Pokemon to your hand.

    When a Pokemon-EX has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

    Weakness: Grass (x2)
    Resistance: none
    Retreat: 4

    2x P Kyogre EX (XY5)

    Primal Kyogre-EX - Water - HP240
    Mega Evolution (Primal Reversion) - Evolves from Kyogre-EX

    α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.

    When 1 of your Pokemon becomes Primal Kyogre-EX, your turn ends.

    [W][W][W][C] Tidal Storm: 150 damage. Move 2 Energy from this Pokemon to 1 of your Benched Pokemon. This attack does 30 damage to each of your opponent's Benched Pokemon-EX. (Don't apply Weakness and Resistance for Benched Pokemon.)

    When a Pokemon-EX has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

    Weakness: Grass (x2)
    Resistance: none
    Retreat: 4

    1-2 Keldeo EX (XY5)

    1-2 Seismitoad EX (XY5)
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:

  • 3-4x Professor Sycamore

    4x N

    2-3x Archie (XY5)

    Archie’s Trump Card - Trainer
    Supporter

    You can only play this card if it's the only card in your hand.

    Put a [W] Pokemon from your discard pile onto your Bench, then draw 5 cards. (Note: Yes, you can play /any/ [W] Pokemon to your Bench. It doesn't say Basic Pokemon. It only says [W] Pokemon.) (Hmmm what a wonderful surprise! Any pokemon is GOOD)

    2-4x Colress

    x2 Lysandre (only use it for a KO)

    4x Dive Ball (what a great card!) (XY5)

    Dive Ball - Trainer. Item. Search your deck for a [W] Pokemon and put it into your hand.

    4x Acro Bike (XY5) (Acro Bike - Trainer. Look at your top 2 card of your deck. Choose 1 card and put it into your hand. Discard the other card.)


    4x Ultra Ball

    2x VS seeker

    1-2x Battle Compressor

    3-4x Muscle Band

    1-2x Float stones

    2x Kyogre spirit link (XY5)

    (1x Tool Retriver)

    1-2x Startling Megaphone

    1x Dowsing Machine

    1x Energy Retrieval

    3x Rare Candy (XY5)

    x2 Undulating Ocean (XY5)

    Undulating Ocean - Trainer. Stadium. Once during each player's turn, he or she may heal 30 damage from each of his or her [W] and [L] Pokemon.

    [x1 Memory shrine (XY5) (Memory Shrine - Trainer. Stadium. Each Evolved Pokemon in play can use any attack from its previous Evolutions. (You still need the necessary Energy to use each attack.)]
Energy:

  • 8-10 Water Energy
    4DCE

Strategy:

Hmmm the basic strategy to this deck is to apply quick pressure while you keep controlling the game with swampert's ability. Once you set up, KO every singe turn, while trying to take advantage of Swampert's Ability and Kyogre's extremely cool move! A thing to notice is that you can save the energy for later use with either keldeo or Swampert! Also The Diving Draw requires only one swampert ! you can't do it multiple times.

Tricks and basic strategy:
2) Diving draw is like the "old macargo and ludicolo" It GIVES YOU ANY CARD YOU WANT 0.0 (with Acro bike combo)
3) Rare candy and DIVE BALL (man what a great card!) for easy swampert (like old level ball but better)
4) Archie and Battle compressor combo!
5) Primal Kyogre for ancient trait and Moving energy around!
6) Tool retriever is welcomed
7) New stadium for healing our beasts ! Plus The stadium from furious fists which gives ± 170 hp to swampert
8) In conclusion
-powerful attackers and every pokemon here is an attacker !
-no special conditions (keldeo).
-no retreat cost (keldeo).
-doesn't care if garbodor is on.-can win in 3 turns.
-can Tidal Storm in 2 Turn (by abusing the ancient trait).
-can abuse Seismitoad's quacking punch to maximum.


Okay Guys tell me what you think about my deck idea ! ( If someone else posted it, I am sorry but I didn't see it from anywhere I thought of it) Thanks for reading ! I can't express my feelings ! Seeing my favourite pokemon (swampert & kyogre) combine strengths with the best deck i have ever seen is astonishing !

(Edit: With bold are the new cards and their effects. The deck idea might change because the α growth ancient trait might change in the future depending on the official translation (α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards. IT DEPENDS IF ITS ABOUT THE POKEMON WITH THE ANC.TRAIT OR ANY OTHER POKEMON) if any other then the Swampogre is complete... and broken)

Thanks !
 
RE: The Broken Combination of Swampogre (Kyogre & Swampert from XY5)

Green777 said:
combine the multiple ancient traits for multyple energy attachements! (ex. I have 3 Swampert. I attach an energy to the first so I can attach 2 more. I attach 1 of the 2 in another swampert and I can attach 2 more, so i can attach 3 energies .. etc. etc. (Energies per swampert : 1->2(1st swampert) 2-1->3(2nd) 3-1->4 (3rd) ...)

I can say with complete certainty that Alpha Growth does NOT work like that.
What it does is, if you choose to attach your 1 energy for the turn to Swampert, you can attach two at the same time instead. So the one with AG gets two, everyone else gets nothing.
 
RE: The Broken Combination of Swampogre (Kyogre & Swampert from XY5)

Hmmmm I may have gotten it all wrong ... xD (α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.)

Is there official confirmation ???It clearly doesn't say "to this pokemon". ... -.-
 
Please update your post with scans / translations of the cards from the new set. Also:

Green777 said:
Hmmmm I may have gotten it all wrong ... xD (α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.)

Is there official confirmation ???It clearly doesn't say "to this pokemon" ... -.-
 
Mora said:
Please update your post with scans / translations of the cards from the new set. Also:

Green777 said:
Hmmmm I may have gotten it all wrong ... xD (α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.)

Is there official confirmation ???It clearly doesn't say "to this pokemon" ... -.-
He means the second part, where he can attach 2 Energy cards. There's no official rule about this yet, so it could be taken either way. The wording is too vague really, as it doesn't even specify from where you can attach and to what you can attach. As I see it now, you could attach an Energy, and then search your deck for 2 Energy cards, attach one of them to the Pokémon with Alpha Growth, and then repeat indefinitely. Of course, common sense dictates you attach from hand, but since there's no explicit rule about it, this could be abused easily.
 
I think this is an awesome idea but the only problem I see is not being able to switch energy enough. I think Primal Kyogre would be good for early game/ energy excelleration onto swampert who would be a better Keldeo (for secret sword id still run 1-2 Keldeo for rush in) then maybe using an Az or something to pick up kyogre to not give up the 2 prizes or something. I'm not sure but we'd definantly need some counter for virizion genesect.
 
The wording is clear, as far as I can see. When you attach an energy specifically from your hand, double it. They shouldn't have to repeat the same sentence twice, it's entirely correct the way it stands. But of course, this is a translation. The English text will be different probably.
 
Mora said:
Please update your post with scans / translations of the cards from the new set. Also:

Green777 said:
Hmmmm I may have gotten it all wrong ... xD (α Growth: When you attach an Energy card from your hand to this Pokemon (except with an attack, Ability, or Trainer card), you may attach 2 Energy cards.)

Is there official confirmation ???It clearly doesn't say "to this pokemon" ... -.-


Of course and I will ... but I am new here and I didn't understand what I should do ... :/
Would you like me to update my post with the effect of the cards that I am talking about ? or something else ?

Thank you for understanding !


Aviste said:
I think this is an awesome idea but the only problem I see is not being able to switch energy enough. I think Primal Kyogre would be good for early game/ energy excelleration onto swampert who would be a better Keldeo (for secret sword id still run 1-2 Keldeo for rush in) then maybe using an Az or something to pick up kyogre to not give up the 2 prizes or something. I'm not sure but we'd definantly need some counter for virizion genesect.

Thanks for the "awsome" !!! But unfortunately the "α growth might not be what I think it is, so the whole strategy just falls apart. If the effect is what I think it is then : Virigen I believe is unfortunately dead ... in this format (it was my fav deck :( ) it is made from EX only so early pressure should be enough to counter it! also KO genesects is fairly easy with Primal Kyogre and the 30hp snipe to all EXs (Its attack). It is just enough for it to KO Virizion and Genesect. with 2 hits. this deck basically works as 2 hit attacker but with "style". You prepare your KOs : ex. Snipe the 30 extra damage, then lysandre for the KO. :)


FaustVIII said:
The wording is clear, as far as I can see. When you attach an energy specifically from your hand, double it. They shouldn't have to repeat the same sentence twice, it's entirely correct the way it stands. But of course, this is a translation. The English text will be different probably.

I have a very bad feeling that you might be right ... :( But lets wait until official translations and rules come ... :) There is chance!
 
I particularly think Swampert will run better with Slurpuff FUF. You'll have amazing control of your deck.
 
Green777 said:
Of course and I will ... but I am new here and I didn't understand what I should do ... :/
Would you like me to update my post with the effect of the cards that I am talking about ? or something else ?

Thank you for understanding !

Yes. If you could edit your original post to include the cards' text, that would be great. Just something so that everyone knows what the new cards do. Thanks!
 
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