Trevenant EX

DarkMatterGaming

DarkMatterGaming

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I literally found out about 15 minutes ago that Trevenant EX is going to be a thing - I looked over it at first and thought it was pretty... Bad, simply put. However, the more I looked at it, the more I'm considering it as a very solid card.

I imagine most - if not all - of you have already seen this, but here's the english card:

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The perks I'm seeing VS Genesect...

  • Second attack does +20 for each Grass energy
  • Virizion EX Exists for acceleration
  • Easier acceleration than Genesect EX
  • Retreat is subjugated by Float Stone
  • Can run another Ace Spec in place of G-Booster

I'm in no way calling this better than Genesect EX, but is this a considerable card to be playing for VirGen or in place of Genesect EX? I don't have a VirGen deck yet - but I'm planning to - so I'm wondering what veterans of VirGen think of this.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

I think it's good, but I think it will be overshadowed by Genesect which has G Booster and Red Signal. But it does have some things going for it.

-180HP (harder to KO)
-Colorless attack which makes it splashable (particularly in Aromatisse/Rainbow decks)
-Retreat lock could cause problems to opponents who aren't prepared for it (It's not an attack to write home about, but it's not bad for 1 energy).
-Can hit numbers that Genesect Struggles with (4 grass or 3 grass plus muscle band takes out Donphan).

Definitely one of the better grass attackers.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

I wonder, though... We got Aegislash EX and Bronzong from Phantom Forces - Trevenant's Colorless attack is practically the same thing as Aegislash's attack. Does this mean Grass is going to get another accelerator...?
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

It sort of has one in the form of Sceptile (non holo)

Sceptile - Grass - HP130
Stage 2 - Evolves from Grovyle

Ability: Grow Healing
Once during your turn (before your attack), you may attach a [G] Energy from your hand to 1 of your Pokemon. If you do, heal 30 damage from that Pokemon.

[G][C][C] Jungle Edge: 70 damage.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2

If anything it could have some nice synergy with the ancient trait Sceptile.

Sceptile - Grass - HP140
Stage 2 - Evolves from Grovyle

Ω Barrier: Whenever your opponent plays a Trainer card (excluding Pokemon Tools and Stadium cards), prevent all effects of that card done to this Pokemon.

[G] Leaf Blade: 30+ damage. Flip a coin. If heads, this attack does 30 more damage.
[G][G][C] Power Poison: 120 damage. Discard an Energy attached to Sceptile. Your opponent's Active Pokemon is now Poisoned.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

I don't think Trevenant will be very useful in a Virizion deck. Genesect's ability is just so much stronger than anything Trevenant has over it. Doing 110 for 3 Grass isn't even that great, since Deoxys can boost Genesect's damage to 110 already.

However, I think Trevenant may be a lot stronger in Sceptile decks. The reason being it can start by using Dark Forrest for a while, then once it takes damage you can attach more Energy to it with Sceptile, while also healing that damage off. With Genesect, it likely won't be in the active spot until it has 3 Energy on it, so if you're powering it up on the bench, Sceptile's healing effect won't be of any use to Genesect. This may not be the case if the Sceptile deck is going for some kind of speed G Booster thing, but otherwise Trevenant will take better advantage of it.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

Fair point; it's an auto-Lysandre that doesn't take your Supporter for the turn.

That Sceptile though... That's gonna be very interesting; it could be used to accelerate Venusaur EX/M-Venusaur and make it very tanky with Herbal Energy.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

I don't think it's a good tech in Virizion/Genesect because in order to do a lot of damage, you need to stack a hefty amount of energy onto it. I feel like the deck always starts to run low on Energy, so that would not help at all. In a deck on its own with Sceptile, I still think Trevenant is not that great because any Pokemon with 3+ energy on it becomes a fun target for YveltalEX. Not to mention you'd be relying on Stage 2's. The only use I could see at a glance for TrevenantEX is a surprise Retreat lock if your opponent burned their Switching cards. Or maybe in a SeismitoadEX deck as a tech for the mirror.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

Carpey said:
I don't think it's a good tech in Virizion/Genesect because in order to do a lot of damage, you need to stack a hefty amount of energy onto it. I feel like the deck always starts to run low on Energy, so that would not help at all. In a deck on its own with Sceptile, I still think Trevenant is not that great because any Pokemon with 3+ energy on it becomes a fun target for YveltalEX. Not to mention you'd be relying on Stage 2's. The only use I could see at a glance for TrevenantEX is a surprise Retreat lock if your opponent burned their Switching cards. Or maybe in a SeismitoadEX deck as a tech for the mirror.
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In that case... M-Manectric/Trevenant could see some use. Covers the Yveltal EX weakness of Trevenant, attaches Energy in the same vain of Virizion, and can still fight some of the bigger decks in the format right now.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

As a veteran player of VirGen, I can say that this card is interesting, but far from good.
Having an attack for 20 and locking retreat sounds ok in theory for just one energy, but in a format where switch, scramble switch, super scoop up, scoop up cyclone, cassius, AZ, and Keldeo EX exists makes the attack improbable of working well. Also being able to stop the defending pokemons attack is much more important than stopping retreat.
The second attack sounds better, but is still bad in VirGen. Most pokemon in VG have 2 grass on it (Genesect has 2 grass and 1 plasma) to attack. Trevenant EX would mess it up by needing 3 grass or more. Sure, you can use DCE or a plasma to fulfill the energy requirement, but that just weakens the attack to 90 or 70 damage. 90 damage will be good for a 2HKO, but you'll lose a plasma energy for it and megas will be more difficult to kill too. Lastly for this point, needing 3 grass loses Virizion acceleration for the deck. If you run 9 grass, and 3 for the Tree and 2 for 1 Virizion, that's 4 left for genesects...assuming none are prized or discarded.
Without DCE in the deck, Trevenant is just as easy to set up as Genesect.
His retreat is terrible for a deck that usually runs switch and not float stone.
If you run Genesect, you have to run Gbooster. How will you beat pyroar or safeguarders without Gbooster? If you run Trevenant over Genesect, your matchups will consistently get worst to many decks.
This is just my opinion, but I've been playing it every format since it was released in PLB and it's my favorite deck to play in tournaments.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

Trevenant Dark Forest -> Dragonite would be a nice combo to guarantee take out Donphan (140/130 damage done) and the Dark Forest could suffice to retreat lock a higher hp pokemon on the field until its low enough for Dragonite to snipe it, with Sceptile on the bench healing some damage and accelerating energy for Dragonite it could be okay. But apart from that I don't think the card has much use.

I wait for the day Dragonite gets something reliable so I can use him in a deck.

EDIT: Upon eating, and rethinking this (its 5AM here, that'll teach me to think pokemon tcg when I'm sleepy). It won't prevent Donphan from switching out, but the retreat lock into Dragonite would still be nice given the right setup.
 
RE: Trevenant EX?

Valex said:
Trevenant Dark Forest -> Dragonite would be a nice combo to guarantee take out Donphan (140/130 damage done) and the Dark Forest could suffice to retreat lock a higher hp pokemon on the field until its low enough for Dragonite to snipe it, with Sceptile on the bench healing some damage and accelerating energy for Dragonite it could be okay. But apart from that I don't think the card has much use.

I wait for the day Dragonite gets something reliable so I can use him in a deck.

EDIT: Upon eating, and rethinking this (its 5AM here, that'll teach me to think pokemon tcg when I'm sleepy). It won't prevent Donphan from switching out, but the retreat lock into Dragonite would still be nice given the right setup.
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I still like the way you're thinking! Now I'm gonna play around with this card a lot, I want to see what could be done.
 
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